Hellier Season 2: Episode 5 | The Unknown Country

Right, so see if anything in there sticks out at you So, it’s fae They point out that the toadstool looks kind of like a UFO -Yeah, I thought that -Look up in the leaves of the tree -Holy fuckin’ shit! -It’s the Green Man -What?! -It’s the Green Man, just hiding out, watching -Wow! It’s so subtle It blends so well Faces in the trees! -Faces in the trees -Faces in the trees -“And in the tree can be seen the face of a Green Man Similar to the church-carving in chapter five.” [Karl] So it literally is the Green Man -It’s literally the Green Man -It says, “the object in the foreground may be stylized toadstool, but in certain respects it also resembles a UFO.” [Karl, whispering] Fuck! [Screams] [Laughter] -I can’t stand it! I love it! [Tyler] So Editorhpa is this tale that I dug up regarding these caves in this interconnected case that was published in the 1860’s and it details this case of this mysterious stranger appearing in this man’s study, claiming that he is from within the Earth. And the book ends up detailing this mysterious stranger’s journey which begins in Cincinnati and actually descends down into Kentucky onto this same line of latitude that we’re looking into this phenomena And from that point it ends up delving into these cave systems, where the man is guided by a creature that comes up from this subterranean realm and guides him to this location that is referred to as the “unknown country” So when this man is led to this cave entrance, he starts getting trepidatious about what his adept guide is actually leading him towards, he actually thinks he’s about to be murdered So in his haste he grabs this bar that he finds on the ground and he goes to strike this man and before he can strike this man down, this cold clammy hand grasps him from behind and this man turns around and he’s confronted by this pale creature without a face that’s dripping wet It’s something that crawled up from this cave system and it can speak. and it tells the man that their intention is not to harm him, only to guide him to this location that exists within the earth From this point as the story progresses on this man’s journey, as he delves deeper into the earth, he is presented with these trials that he has to overcome, these trials that were designed to keep him trapped somewhere in this space and one of the last trials that he encounters is this troop of beautiful women that appear in the cavern, they have this light glow about them, wearing these flowing dresses silken white, holding instruments and wands and the head of this beautiful troop of women that he is just enamored with, she presents herself as Editorhpa So with all of this said I still didn’t understand the reference I didn’t understand why they would title the book this since it had such a small, small role and it wasn’t until doing further research, that I realized Editorhpa is Aphrodite spelled backward, who is the goddess of Venus So in an off-handed way this book title is Venus In a subversive manner and what’s so interesting about that and how it connects into all of this, apart from showing allusions to things that could be goblins as well as ships that can can fly over the water like UFOs, is the fact that back in the 1950’s and the 1960’s you had so many contactee reports of people talking about running into these spaceship beings claiming they were from the planet Venus You often find Venus being associated with trickster elements, trickster spirits As well as even fallen angels You see Lucifer himself being associated with the morning star which of course is the planet Venus So when you break down the associations of Venus and what that represent in different cultures as well as Aphrodite, the goddess of love, you see her image in fertility idols, ancient fertility idols. and when you look at these fertility idols you often see representations of entities that even resemble images that Crowley drew of this entity that he called “Lam.” [Tyler] Oh wow [Greg] Oh yeah! [Tyler] Weird [Greg] That’s actually really interesting [Karl] The eyes are exact [Greg] That’s an old fertility statue, Akua’ba [Karl] That’s fucking Aiwass [Tyler] Wow Lam itself appears to be one of the earliest representations of an extraterrestrial

or a modern-age grey alien I mean some occultists actually think that it was because of a ritual that Crowley did in 1917 in New York City that actually was what opened a gateway for these grey aliens to first come into our world, and that the image that he drew of Lam is of the first grey alien. Whitley Strieber, one of the most famous alien abductees of all time– He wrote “Communion”, He described these “familiar beings” that he met as being similar to the Sumerian goddess Ishtar. What Greek goddess was modeled after Ishtar? Aphrodite [Tyler] All of these things are connected. You have Lam, you have extraterrestrials, – the greys, Crowley, Ashtar, – Venusians, – Aphrodite, descent narratives, UFOnauts, cave creatures, goblins ♪ Hellier theme ♪ [Greg] You should sit down We’re gonna send you home with a present Gonna send you home with something to think about [Karl] This is so weird – The timing of it was what [Karl] Who writes like this? Are you guys serious? – The timing of it scared the fuck out of me Don’t you remember how upset I was? When I was like “I can’t believe so many people have seen this thing.” – Yeah – It was because I was positive it had gotten out and somebody was fucking around Because of the word “UFOnauts” right away I was like, “oh this can’t be fucking real.” And the craziest part about all these emails is, she gave so much information in them, we found her immediately – You actually found her? – Oh fuck yeah – Well I was gonna say, –Karl –There’s– it’s so opposite from the others with the information that it feels fake. It’s just like “here’s one with a lot of information.” -That’s why I freaked out -I’m getting goosebumps on my arm. Everything you’re gonna read in these letters, I confirmed I confirmed everything [Greg] Fucking caves. We know where fucking caves are [Tyler] I know where the caves are – Where fucking people are disappearing, there’s a – [Tyler] Monsters coming out of them, people coming out of caves Karl- Why didn’t you tell me about these before now? – Because I fucking flipped out Because I thought, I thought somebody saw it. I didn’t fucking know what to do I didn’t know what to fucking do with it because I thought somebody was fucking with us [Dana] And for the most part we needed to make sure that this wasn’t a hoax, cause it felt a lot like a hoax – It does at first… yeah [Greg] and the fact that it happened the day – [Tyler] the day before I left [Dana] and the day of your being there for two whole days – That’s what I’m saying, the intention of what we’re doing, it’s like one big ritual And the pinpoint are like a video game when you reach them– –So you went to North Carolina on what day? Like let’s not talk theories and intention and ritual shit yet – What it was like January 31st or something, right? [Dana] The dates should be in the emails -Yeah like the dates are here but I don’t know what [Tyler] We can find the exact day what day you went [Karl] Like I feel like you guys are putting me on! – No – No [Dana] I know, this is how we felt for freakin – Why do you think we waited so long to say anything about it? I didn’t know what to do [Tyler] This is strange – A mutual friend told me to contact you, and said you helped him once before [Tyler] Listen. It’s Wriste [Dana] She won’t tell us who it is – But it’s a different name Get to it, you’ll get to it You’ll get to it, let him read through – Yeah it’s all in there. Then she said she said.. I mean it’s the same fucking thing happening over again – It’s literally the same puppeteer -The best part about it– My brain right now is just like, this can’t Be Real – Welcome to my fucking life But there’s so much old stuff in there, so many parallels to the earlier stuff – No… fuck. off -What? -What? – SLUF? [Tyler] Sluf. That’s what I was waiting for, sluf – Fucking fuck -But listen– ‘Cause that’s the group of people that would be

throwing that term around and she’s in the group of people – She knows, she knows that term because of the puppeteer that’s been talking to her, which is Wriste -She knows that term because Wriste isn’t a puppeteer, he’s a player – But now we’re in it. We’re in it now This is it. This is the beginning [Karl] [sarcastically] Oh, now we’re in it? – Well here’s the thing, the end of Hellier is the beginning of this now – So I realize that’s a lot to drop on you like the day before you go back, but [Laughing] but it was feeling like a better time than [Droning sounds] [Connor] Okay [Karl] You remember when Strand went to North Carolina? – Yeah – Greg got these the night before -Oh, is this about this? -Oh gosh Wait I don’t know who this is My name is Amy [redacted] My date of birth is I don’t know if I want to get into this one [Laughing] -Yeah -What? -Mmhm -He responded quickly “Almost everyone I know involved The CIA. The marine. And navy.” [Sighs] I want to be Of course we’re going to dig into it all, but immediately I’m kind of like she’s throwing out everything -Mmhm -It’s military coverups, it’s creepy Wiccan rituals, it’s secret societies and Illuminati, it’s like -It’s like too much “I’m afraid taking a leap of faith and coming here is about the only way you’re going to get the answers you seek. ” No.. no. I’m good [laughs] You know, I was not expecting all this I was not expecting any of this But I was immediately pretty a pretty hard “no” on pursuing this lead Because that’s… at this point it doesn’t become fun anymore, you know? When you’re looking into these sort of disappearances it’s like, this is for law enforcement But she hit a couple of key notes. and I was mostly annoyed that we couldn’t just rip these emails up and throw them away. At a certain level you have to trust your gut [Karl] The gut feels bad on this one – Yeah it does. and I don’t like there’s no clear direction I don’t like this one, I don’t know – So basically, for about two hours after Greg and Tyler and Dana told me this, Greg basically just threw down and had an argument for like two hours with Strand [Greg] I’m not saying that I don’t wanna go, I do wanna go. I wanna go But I want to do it right and I want to be safe when we do it [Greg, stammering] I’m telling you– [Tyler] We can’t let this sit – I’m not saying – I know what you’re trying to say, but it’s all fear-based – It’s not fear, it’s a rational fear We had to figure out, is this something that we need to pursue? I was nervous about it, I was really scared and it weighed, it weighed on me Strand and I got into a bit of an argument Because Strand was ready to go He wanted to leave immediately We had to go and do this, we had to do it before they packed up and left I was of the mindset that we needed to prepare properly We need to figure out where we were gonna go, how we were gonna do this, who we were going to talk to, how do we stay incognito I’m nervous because Amy says “You’re already on their radar”, I didn’t want anyone to know that I was poking around in this yet, or that I was even taking this seriously yet So we got into a bit of a fight about what to do. [Tyler] Well I’m not going to fear death and things that we don’t know are going to occur. It’s just, it’s It’s just, it’s nonsensical– [Greg] It’s not nonsensical! – I’m telling you, this phenomena it’s feeding off of that It wants you to be afraid, so why be? I’m not afraid of this This stuff has been going on, with everything that we’ve read this has been going on forever It’s the same thing People have been looking into it forever and it’s never gonna change The amount of info that we have is not gonna change

We can keep dissecting it, overanalyzing it, fearing it like “Well no I’m not ready I’m not ready for this, we need to do this first.” or “we have to look into this more.” We have enough info That’s not gonna change. We can keep dissecting stuff down to the smallest grain of sand. But it’s still not changing the fact that it came from the same fucking rock that we know is there It doesn’t matter how much we scrutinize stuff or look into it, I don’t think it’s ever gonna change -Then what’s the fucking point? Because we have to find out what’s going on! – Why? -Because that’s what we do – … Cause that’s what we do – That’s what we do So let’s fucking do the recon -I told you I’m fine with the recon I’m fine, I’m fine with doing recon but like it has to be so -covert – So covert, so low-key -Absolutely! -I don’t, I just don’t, I don’t know how to do it I don’t know how to appropriately -We know we gotta be safe! -I’m done. I’m done talking about it -I know you are! I’m just saying go! -I agree -Do it safe! I agree. We’ll go and we’ll do it safe There we’re on the same page, but I don’t wanna talk about anymore – Fine – This is exactly what I was fucking so afraid of happening [Tyler laughing] What? What’s that? -Fucking zero control and going crazy -You’re not going crazy! -No, the conversations we’re having are crazy -They’re not -It’s insane ♪ Quick tempo music ♪ [Greg] What are we doing Tyler? -We are doing recon at Somerset – We’re on the outskirts now so far everything looks as I’d expect for rural Kentucky [Dana] I was 100% not on board for Greg and Strand to go to Somerset and do recon. I just wasn’t into the idea. It seemed like a terrible idea. I know Strand tends to be the kind of person who runs head first into something, and I didn’t want this to be the situation that he ran headfirst into I knew that it was a rural area so they probably wouldn’t have great cell phone service I specifically told both of them NOT to go in caves and I specifically you know, mentioned to them to kinda check in with me and drop pins so that I knew where they were. Wow look at this… this is insane Holy shit Do you see anything weird on the ground? [Dana] and I was comfortable with it by those terms. but of course that’s not what happened [Tyler] It’s like a whole other world This probably connects to the Mammoth Cave System for all we know [footsteps] [Greg] Holy fuck how far back does it go? Look at this -Oh my God dude look! It’s literally an entrance to like the underworld here Insane. Look at this! This is amazing Fuck. This is deep [Greg] Oh Jesus. Yeah dude we can’t go any further No, no we can. Here give me the light, We’ve just got to get [Greg sighs] -Just got to get right there -Godammit -Oh my god dude -What is it? -This is fucking huge It’s just fuckin huge -Oh shit you can see! Right down in there, that’s where the water is coming from -It starts now, it’s activated [Greg] Strand and I went much further into the cave

than I think we anticipating we were going to go and while we were there we start to hear these sounds, coming from far off down further in the cave And it sounded like people. It sounded like there were people whispering. [Greg] Yes. Yes. Yeah you think Alright let’s turn around and go -Fuck -We need to leave [Tyler] Just look at this place though Ahh so weird! [Tyler] Oh my god! [Greg] You see the size of that fucking bone? -Yeah -Look at that -What? -The size of those bones! -I know, I know. Look at this It’s a piece of the skull No… maybe One of the last things that we found in the cave were just big piles of bones all of these little piles everywhere They didn’t look big enough to be human But whatever it was that brought those bones in, had to be fairly large because these were… these weren’t small animal bones. It didn’t seem like anyway. [Greg] There’s vertebrae here, there’s fucking ribs -What the fuck? Oh my god -So something’s dragging shit in here to eat -Look at the size of that bone over there -I know. Something’s dragging stuff in here to eat it -Oh my god [Footsteps] [Tyler] It might be this might be the church and that cabin might be somewhere in the woods like near here It could be anywhere. We might be able to find it through satellite images It makes more sense, her saying the entrance is off of Hail Bridge Road which we’re still technically on -I think we’re on Hail Bridge Road I think this is the chapel She mentions this chapel This one’s upkept So I’m pretty sure this is where the incident in the first emails occurred [Karl] Right off the bat there were similarities between the Amy emails and the David emails that just felt significant to us It started with even just the subject line David’s subject line was “Urgent help needed, please respond” Amy’s subject line was “Urgent: life and death.” But even from there, having a stranger reach out who doesn’t personally know of or know Greg, learned about Greg through a mysterious figure that Greg doesn’t know either. They’re both normal people who had some kind of a strange supernatural experience related to the cave systems, in rural Kentucky, in the woods, seemingly a similar type of phenomena and environment And then they disappear completely off the grid That stood out, it felt significant I know Greg gets a lot of strange emails, given the work that he does talking about weird experiences but there was something very similar between these two What was almost more interesting too was the opposites in the emails, it almost seemed like an overcorrection by the phenomena to the point that David was a ghost who had zero information about him The Amy email she gives us her date of birth, everything about her, addresses, names of people in the town, Greg found her immediately But where David was apparently a doctor, he was very eloquent at the least, very detailed, he supplied photos Amy was much more marginalized and much more chaotic, she was typing it out on a cell phone, cell phone and there was misspellings Very different in that regard but similar structurally at their core In the emails that Amy sent to us, she mentions UFOnauts and she mentions SLUF. Those were the words that we couldn’t overlook If Amy didn’t learn this word through research, then obviously the other, possibly more likely, scenario is that she learned it from Terry, or from somebody who’s in that circle who uses that kind of term

to refer to the goblins And if that is the case that makes her even scarier Because now we’re dealing with somebody who is in the know with these circles that are obviously very very intimidating One of the things that really stuck out to me in Amy’s email was this reference to something called “the gatekeeper” and immediately it made me think about all of these reports that we had been digging up from hundreds of years back all the way into the present day of creatures holding these staffs or wands that can paralyze people [Amy emails reading] The gatekeeper is the scariest of them all he can actually perform magic. I literally began to suffocate as he whispered and blew me a kiss, holding this curved, weird walking stick and a crystal. Amy should not have known about these wands or the staffs It just seems like a really obscure element to include The other thing that’s a common theme when I get into this is not only do a lot of these reports have things holding wands but you’ll hear a lot about cloaked figures [Tyler reading] According to Brad Steiger, a woman named Norma Hall felt sure that she had encountered a subterranean Inhumanoid as she lay dozing one night in a motel room… she was shocked to see a dark, smallish figure standing motionless in the corner of the room. She soon saw that it was a hooded figure in a dark robe. “I switched on the lamp on the nightstand” she stated “and he put up his hands to shield his eyes from the bright light.” This thing keeps its head down because it doesn’t like the sunlight beating on it That’s another recurring theme we see is these things have a sensitivity to light “When I got out of bed I towered over him, I was amazed that he seemed even shorter when I stood before him. He was scarcely five feet tall. Only his very large eyes with their black pupils seemed alive. His eyes and his little twitching nose and lips. He reminded me of a large grey rat standing there, and I still shudder every time I think of him.” So there’s a tale here from November 1997, “Two young outdoorsmen, 22 year old Duane Berger and his friend Mark, 20, had decided to camp near an old deserted Coppermine in Arizona ‘By the time it was dark we had each downed a couple of long-necked beers’ Duane later said ‘and we were just sitting around the fire, feeling pretty good about life in general when we began to hear these terrible screams that seemed to be coming from the old mine.’” [omitted] states she hears these screams that she thinks is initially a bobcat, so we have this already a similar narrative “The screams sounded female and there was more than one of them screaming out at once in what sounded like pain, as if they were being hurt.’ Bravely the two entered the mouth of the tunnel weapons and flashlight in hand. and it says in quotes “we had barely walked a dozen yards when we saw a greenish glow ahead of us. As we got closer, we could make out the dark figures of two men in hooded robes….” as they drew closer, they saw that the hooded figures were barely five foot tall. then the little men produced what appeared to be wands of some type, from which a yellow light erupted, striking the two and instantly rendering them immobile.” Even Jacques Vallée, the UFO researcher who wrote “Passport to Magonia”, he talks about these same wands in his book “Dimensions.” – These reports just keep going and going [Sound of pages turning] [Tyler] “According to a November issue of Fate magazine, a similar fate awaited two young boys from Pike County. The youths were seen entering into the old Truck coal mine 3 miles east of Pikeville, then they never came back out. A full scale search of the mine failed to turn up any evidence of the missing boys.” What’s weird when I was looking into Pike County, you fast forward into the year 2008 and that same ridgeway that overlooks that same mine has bigfoot sightings, crawling along the ridges “Years later a woman from Pendleton County named Patsy Wingate would claim to have disturbing dreams that might have some relevance here Wingate mentions a mountain near Riverton Kentucky where a certain UFO was seen on several occasions. Once while on the mountain she heard strange humming sounds she was certain were coming from underground. Later that night she had the most frightening and vivid dreams of “children underground on the mountain begging for help”.

“Researcher Ronald Calais told of a tunnel laborer digging underground in 1770, who heard a roaring sound behind a large flat stone Curious, he pried away the stone with pick and crowbar, and was amazed to see a smooth stone stairway leading down into the Earth. Suddenly the stairway ended and the man was standing in a large stone cavern filled with gigantic machines, the astonished laborer glanced about the well-lit room then saw hastening toward him a strangely clad hooded figure. The being held a baton like object in his upraised hand.” [Greg] I mean the wands start to show up –They’re in everything! There’s even another report from an old Native American man in the west who is talking about the things in the Mojave Desert, that live in the mountains there They call them, I don’t know if I’m pronouncing this… it’s like the “Hav-musuv.” They have these objects that are like wands these metal rods, he goes, and when they point them at you, he says they can immobilize you He goes, or they’ll take out another object that’s like a rod and “all death will follow.” [Connor] Some of the information that Tyler was telling us really came out of left field for me This wasn’t the portion of the phenomena that I had necessarily researched but finding out that these robed, hooded figures carrying wands could either be occultists, which is the natural thing to think, or could actually be strange creatures, some sort of members of the phenomena their selves It made me even more weary because now, we have to think about, in the little portion in the back of our mind, we have to think about the possibility that if we run into one of these things they apparently are now armed with weapons in the form of wands. One of the stranger things I didn’t think I’d ever have to think about So to go further into that I figured if she’s telling any ounce of truth she’s talking about people being tortured, human sacrifice, all of this stuff Kids in the mines, caves, and if that stuff is happening you would think there would at least be some bizarre reports of people going missing or people dying in these caves Well here’s what’s strange about that There are multiple deaths in these caves quite often I’m not going to jump to wild conclusions but there are some reports here… that are kind of unsettling. And we have here: “Spelunker Found Dead inside Wayne County Cave” “we found his hoodie. It had been shredded. Just ripped up” he said. “and about 200 feet in they found his body. The way the gear was scattered through the cave, it doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t.” Nothing wrong with him, items scattered all throughout, clothing ripped up, nothing wrong with him Irisman was not stuck, or injured, and there was no evidence of foul play I mean there’s a lot of weird murders, that are really strange and unanswered, but I didn’t include any of those There’s a lot that I’ve read “On Saturday someone riding an all-terrain vehicle saw a body in a brush pile off Strawberry Road.” During one of these forums in the discussion of cave locations and entrances, someone is talking about that cave It says “a word of warning about the Strawberry cave, there’s another cave below that bluff across the road not sure if it connects but I have reason to believe something big is living in there. I have seen entire cow carcasses drug into that cavern and partially eaten.” [Tyler in flashback] What the fuck there’s bones! Someone responds to this and they go, “I heard a loud thrashing in the bushes and this thing around 10 foot or so comes running out the bushes right in front of me Well what I saw looked more like a Yeti that thing stood there looking at me for a couple of minutes making some sort of muttering sounds like a baby crying [Connor reading] “The crying baby phenomenon is common not only among UFO witnesses but also among thousands of ghost and monster witnesses as well.” But here’s what makes that cave a little bit more interesting [Omitted – Amy] gives us a very specific address This is Hail Bridge Road here on the map, this is where

Strawberry Road is, it’s separated by 12 minutes, in a fairly you know.. driving Hail Bridge Road, where this dot is, where this line of passage goes to connect it to, is literally the passageway of the second longest cave in Kentucky The whole time that Strand is laying all of this out, it’s just sinking further and further into my brain that this is Hellier all over again It has to do with cave systems, potentially the Mammoth cave system, again It has to do with strange creatures in these caves and people being terrorized by these strange creatures and now all of a sudden there is all of this extra scary stuff that none of us would’ve ever seen coming [Karl] Now I didn’t do as much research as Tyler did into Somerset and all this stuff But the little that I did, uncovered some weird similarities and parallels A simple google search of Somerset and the Green Man turns up a New Yorker article about Julia Somerset who was the wife of the Earl of Somerset, Somerset England overseas. She wrote one article of folklore in her lifetime in 1939, in which she basically laid out the origin and history of the Green Man. She named the Green Man The fact that we even know it as such today was from this woman, Julia Somerset There is a lot of different ideas attached and associated with the Green Man. But for the most part the Green Man is an archetype or a deity that is often, he often appears in Pagan circles. He represents the woods, woodland , the harvest, being in nature he’s sort of a guardian of those spaces and is interacted with a lot by a majority of the pagan community as sort of an archetype that represents a spirit behind nature The idea of a green man has nothing to do with human sacrifice. It has to do with death, but it’s natural death, it’s death and renewal So if there was some cult dedicated to the Green Man, it doesn’t make sense that they would be performing human sacrifice Amy mentions Beltane specifically in the emails, which is really interesting when you talk about the Green Man because he is so connected to that specific sabbat. Beltane is a Celtic fire festival, it’s the end of spring and the beginning of summer and in a lot of… in the Wiccan tradition there is a belief that at that point of time, if we look at the cycles of nature the goddess and the god come together. It’s a very sensual festival, it has a lot to do with creating life When you think about summer you know, we’re about to come into a time when gardens are full and things are coming into fruition and we’re enjoying the benefits of a lot of that kind of stuff and the Green Man is often the deity that’s represented as the god during that festival [Karl] So over here, if you check it out, that’s Hopkinsville, that’s Cave City, that’s Somerset, and that’s Hellier [Dana] While Strand is looking into all of these newspaper articles about deaths that are happening, Karl is looking into all of these locations that have some kind of a connection. [Karl] If you draw a line between them roughly, and between the averaging them all, they’re basically in what kind of looks like a straight line To make matters weirder, all four of these points fall on the 37th parallel The 37th parallel is a theory that was popularized a few years ago by Ben Mezrich. He wrote a book with the same title and it basically says that between the 36th and the 38th parallel is where there’s an abnormally large string of strangeness Everything from UFO sightings to cattle mutilations to just straight up paranormal phenomena. And it basically lays out this idea that there’s something going on on that line around the planet that makes it extraordinarily weird It’s statistically interesting because if you look at, for really populated cities in that area, you won’t actually find many Most of the cities exist above or below that, especially in different coastal regions So you would expect more sightings, in those areas with more people But because it sort of cuts across this fairly rural area of

the United States, it seems like something worth paying attention to [Karl] When I drew a vertical line between Ashland and the Wriste Coordinates, they intersected the horizontal line right beside Hellier. So then I started drawing more lines and I thought, alright let’s put up Stillwater Bridge Interesting. Threw up Stillwater Bridge on there, also thought let’s find the exact spot of these these tin can UFOs that were seen so close in Minnesota. Turns out if you draw a line from the Tin Can UFO sighting through Stillwater Bridge, it goes right through Point Pleasant. [Greg] That’s bizarre -It’s pretty weird There’s a nearly perfect line that goes from Point Pleasant to Ashland, to Somerset. If you continue further and you draw a line between the Wriste Coordinates and Cave City you wind up almost exactly a mile and a half from my apartment? [Dana] Oh my god [Greg laughs] And if you go ever further, and you draw a line between Table Rock, where you guys visited, you went to Cave City shortly thereafter that where you guys visited, and then where did you guys go after that when you got so distracted from Hellier? [Greg] Mount Shashta [Karl] Finding Bigfoot at Mt Shasta [Greg] Get out of here What? Is that, right over the peak?! -Right over the fuckin peak -Right over the peak! [Tyler] Right over the center of it, goes right through the circle of that mountain -And like the whole story with that was about you know, things living in the mountain and UFOs coming out of the mountain -This book right here, “A Dweller on Two Planets” is literally a tale that’s torn between a guy spending time on Venus and going underground in Mt. Shasta The spot where Woody Derenberger met Indrid Cold was very specific, where he said he met him, so I put that in on the map and that one lines up directly in line with the Point Pleasant, Ashland, Somerset line. Now if you look at that: Woody Derenberger meeting spot, Point Pleasant, Ashland, chronologically that’s the progression of Indrid Cold’s locations where he visited people So with Somerset being on that line you have some interesting implications there about whether or not perhaps Indrid Cold might have passed through that area? I tried to use a lot of different control points on this, I put Rashad’s house in Willits in it I put Tenney’s place in Royal Oak into it A bunch of different outlying points just to test against and there are places that you try and you can’t make them line up with anything Also it’s very hard to draw a straight line on a globe There is some room for, you know, error and embellishment But they’re close enough that there’s a high degree of strangeness I’d emailed Amy back and forth a bunch of times, and her story didn’t really change I just didn’t really know what we could really do about it So when we decided it was time to reach out to her again I sent her an email and I didn’t get a response And I waited… and I sent her another email and got no response And immediately I just thought the worst Well. Doing a little digging, it turns out she was in jail There were a list of charges, um related to breaking and entering and burglary There was some possession on there But we knew that she was in a space where she wasn’t going anywhere And because of that I didn’t really feel I didn’t feel like we had a ticking clock to chase because she was, it seemed, safe [Tyler] We always had the concern, how do we do it safely? How do we.. how do we have a good means of staying in a centralized zone to really study the phenomena I came across a location that is literally directly off of Buck Creek, that overlooks the river. And take a look at this map here, the Buck Creek Bungalows which is that location that we can go to to settle down, is right here This river is Buck Creek Hail Bridge Road is right here That is literally waking distance and with paddle boards and kayaks that’s literally overlooking the river

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