Friends of the University of New Haven Library: Prof. Dadio – "Murder at Yale, the Annie Le Story"

[Lisa Dadio]: So, yes welcome. It’s tough for me to stay in one spot, I like to move around [Lisa Dadio]: So I’m gonna try to, maybe just, like stay here as much as possible and yet not [Lisa Dadio]: cover the screen. My voice is loud so I definitely don’t need the microphone. But as an amazing introduction, actually it’s kind of hard to follow that [Lisa Dadio]: I retired five years ago from the New Haven Police Department. I’ve been [Lisa Dadio]: teaching in higher education ever since. Prior to coming to the University of New [Lisa Dadio]: Haven I actually was a full-time faculty member at Manchester Community College [Lisa Dadio]: in their Criminal Justice Department and then I came back to where I got my [Lisa Dadio]: undergraduate and graduate degree, so kind of full-circle for me to come back [Lisa Dadio]: and actually teach in the Forensic Science Department. For those of you who – [Lisa Dadio]: actually a couple of you I don’t think I – most of you I haven’t had. I teach in the [Lisa Dadio]: undergraduate level Crime Scene Investigation and I also – I teach on [Lisa Dadio]: the graduate level in Forensic Science and also online for the MS and [Lisa Dadio]: Investigations for the Criminal Justice Department. So I do a little bit of both [Lisa Dadio]: But, what I’m going to talk to you about is kind of the case that was the [Lisa Dadio]: epitome of my 20 years in the New Haven Police Department. Of those 20 years, [Lisa Dadio]: I spent about 16 years in the Detective Division working as a detective in the [Lisa Dadio]: Sexual Assault and Bias Crime Unit. Working as a detective in the [Lisa Dadio]: Crime Scene Unit, getting promoted to Sergeant, going back to Patrol for a little bit, [Lisa Dadio]: then coming back up to the Detective Division where I kind of finished out my [Lisa Dadio]: career. I was a Sergeant in charge of the – it used to be called the Family Services [Lisa Dadio]: Division, it’s now called Special Investigations, where I had supervised [Lisa Dadio]: officers and detectives who had investigated sexual assaults, child abuse, [Lisa Dadio]: child deaths, bias crimes, missing persons, juvenile crimes, school resource officers [Lisa Dadio]: And then I went to the Major Crime Unit, which I was second-in-command, and then [Lisa Dadio]: became in-command of the Major Crime Unit for about four years. The Major [Lisa Dadio]: Crime Unit at that time that I was there – everything fell underneath my command [Lisa Dadio]: I had about a hundred sergeants and officers and detectives that worked for [Lisa Dadio]: me, and we handled everything major crime related: shootings, homicides, burglaries [Lisa Dadio]: robberies, auto theft, narcotic investigations, fire, suspicious fires. You [Lisa Dadio]: name it, it came kind of underneath our preview. I had been involved supervising [Lisa Dadio]: and investigating in one aspect of another, several high-profile cases, but [Lisa Dadio]: none greater than the murder of Yale student Annie Le. At that time that this [Lisa Dadio]: crime was committed, I was actually in charge of the major crime unit, and both [Lisa Dadio]: myself and sergeants that worked for me, and detectives that worked for me were [Lisa Dadio]: part of the most incredible collaboration that ever had taken place, [Lisa Dadio]: at least in my time, in New Haven PD, where the FBI, the Connecticut State Police, Yale University Police, and the New Haven Police Department all worked [Lisa Dadio]: together. And we had a successful resolution to a case which you’re going [Lisa Dadio]: to hear about. The information – the case has been adjudicated, so I’m allowed to [Lisa Dadio]: talk about it. If it was an open case or an unsolved case, which, obviously there’s [Lisa Dadio]: plenty of those throughout the country and definitely in New Haven – it’s not [Lisa Dadio]: something I would be discussing. The information contained here is public [Lisa Dadio]: information you can get it anywhere on the worldwide web. Documents are there, so [Lisa Dadio]: I’m not sharing anything that’s privileged, nor will I share anything [Lisa Dadio]: that was privileged in that investigation out of respect for the [Lisa Dadio]: victim and her family, in this case. So even though the case is adjudicated, you [Lisa Dadio]: still have to respect the family of the victim at all times, without publicizing [Lisa Dadio]: something too much. But this case made national, worldwide news mainly because [Lisa Dadio]: she was a Yale student. She was a brilliant, aspiring graduate student at [Lisa Dadio]: Yale University who basically had disappeared. So I’m going to walk you [Lisa Dadio]: through the timeline of when Annie was reported missing, a little bit about her [Lisa Dadio]: background up to the point where her accused was actually [Lisa Dadio]: – he pled guilty – was sentenced and the case kind of – was closed for all intents [Lisa Dadio]: and purposes. So who was Annie? At the time that Annie disappeared and was [Lisa Dadio]: subsequently murdered, she was a 24 year old doctoral student at the Yale [Lisa Dadio]: University School of Medicine in their pharmacology department. She was [Lisa Dadio]: conducting research at that time and, in fact, her research was funded by the [Lisa Dadio]: National Science Foundation. She was valedictorian of her high [Lisa Dadio]: school, she was born in California – and from California – to Vietnamese parents,

[Lisa Dadio]: and she had met her fiance while she was an undergraduate student at the [Lisa Dadio]: University of Rochester, where she studied Bio-science. She had applied to [Lisa Dadio]: Yale University and obviously was accepted into their doctor – doctoral [Lisa Dadio]: program, and she was doing research there, using mice, which ended up being, [Lisa Dadio]: unfortunately, the room that she was murdered in, while she was conducting [Lisa Dadio]: her research. She was trying to find out how certain enzymes have a role in the [Lisa Dadio]: human metabolic diseases and had been granted a multi-million dollar grant to [Lisa Dadio]: fund her research, again, supported by Yale University and her college [Lisa Dadio]: professor. She was due to get married to her college sweetheart, Jonathan, [Lisa Dadio]: on September 13th, 2009. On Tuesday, September 8th, 2009, Annie left her apartment in – on [Lisa Dadio]: Lawrence Street in New Haven which is, for anybody who’s familiar State Street [Lisa Dadio]: – it’s that part of New Haven where it’s called Newhallville, but it’s actually the [Lisa Dadio]: lower portion of Newhallville, were a lot of restaurants are a pop – popular [Lisa Dadio]: eateries, a lot of Yale students live there, it’s a beautiful community in the [Lisa Dadio]: City of New Haven. So Annie left her apartment, got on Yale [Lisa Dadio]: transit, and was heading over to her office, which is part of Yale School of [Lisa Dadio]: Medicine – and actually heading over to the Sterling Hall of Medicine. She went [Lisa Dadio]: into her office and how do we know that? We’ll talk about it in a little bit. But [Lisa Dadio]: camera footage, actually, showed her going to her office, saw her leaving her office [Lisa Dadio]: She goes in there, does whatever she does in her office, she leaves Sterling Hall [Lisa Dadio]: to head to her research room that’s located a couple blocks away at Ten [Lisa Dadio]: Amistad, which is a research building. Very – it’s a brick building very [Lisa Dadio]: non-discreet. It’s where a lot of animal research is done at Yale University [Lisa Dadio]: Individuals who work in that lab facility need keycard access to get in [Lisa Dadio]: – and remember that part of it, because it becomes an integral part of this [Lisa Dadio]: Investigation. And so, you know, everything is kind of [Lisa Dadio]: controlled, there’s video cameras, there’s cameras all over entrances and exits, [Lisa Dadio]: you need to keycard to get in, you need to keycard to get into your lab rooms [Lisa Dadio]: Annie’s seen – based from video footage – walking from the Sterling Hall of [Lisa Dadio]: Medicine to Ten Amistad a little bit after 10:00 a.m. on the morning of [Lisa Dadio]: September 8th. She key cards into her research room, [Lisa Dadio]: which is on the basement level, the lower level of Ten Amistad at 10:11 a.m [Lisa Dadio]: that morning. She never keycards anywhere else after that point, and to [Lisa Dadio]: get around anywhere in that building – once you go in. the lab door closes, you [Lisa Dadio]: need keycard access. Annie’s card that she – we know she had going in, no longer [Lisa Dadio]: was used after 10:11 that morning. After 10:00 p.m. on Tuesday, September [Lisa Dadio]: 8th, Annie never comes home. Her roommate calls Yale University Police Department [Lisa Dadio]: to report that she never came home which is highly unlikely. She hadn’t heard from [Lisa Dadio]: her all day which, again, is very uncharacteristic of Annie. So Yale [Lisa Dadio]: University Police Department begins a missing person case, trying to – where did [Lisa Dadio]: she leave this morning, what did she have planned, checking in with professors, her [Lisa Dadio]: research supervisor to see if they had met with her at any point. And- they’re trying to [Lisa Dadio]: establish a timeline of a missing person. They go to Annie’s office and in her [Lisa Dadio]: office is her wallet and her cell phone. May or may not be important . Don’t know [Lisa Dadio]: And there’s no way we can ask. I mean, we’re thinking that maybe when she had [Lisa Dadio]: went over to Ten Amistad that she was just, kind of, [Lisa Dadio]: checking in, making sure her research was okay, which involved hundreds of cages of [Lisa Dadio]: mice – that was in her research room, and she was due to leave later that week [Lisa Dadio]: because she was due to get married. So we’re thinking that she was just [Lisa Dadio]: checking in things, and then that’s why she left her wallet and phone there [Lisa Dadio]: only to come back shortly thereafter. A missing-persons poster was created for [Lisa Dadio]: Annie because, what started to happen, is no one [Lisa Dadio]: knew where she was. No one can reach her, her – obviously her cellphone was in her [Lisa Dadio]: office, and this was a poster that was actually created and distributed all [Lisa Dadio]: over the media, all over Yale campus, all over the Yale buildings, looking for her [Lisa Dadio]: This footage in the center is actual video footage of Annie. What she was [Lisa Dadio]: wearing on the day that she disappeared. Green shirt, this is a brown skirt, she [Lisa Dadio]: had mule shoes on, white ankle socks. This is what she was seen wearing as she was [Lisa Dadio]: going over to Ten Amistad. These are obviously other pictures of her and then [Lisa Dadio]: a description of her. Yale University put out a missing person reward for

[Lisa Dadio]: anyone who had information on her whereabouts, provided a telephone number [Lisa Dadio]: saying ‘hey, you know, help us try to find this person. Anyone who last saw her, [Lisa Dadio]: please contact this number’. Because at this time it’s being treated as a [Lisa Dadio]: missing person. Yale University Police Department had contacted the Federal [Lisa Dadio]: Bureau of Investigation to ask them to assist in this case. A couple different [Lisa Dadio]: reasons. A: Annie’s from California. She’s due to [Lisa Dadio]: get married, her fiance, at that time, was living in Long Island, and they didn’t [Lisa Dadio]: know if she had, in fact, been kidnapped. There was no rhyme or reason for why she [Lisa Dadio]: just disappeared from what family members, and friends, and her roommates [Lisa Dadio]: had said. Everything was perfect. She was very excited to get married that weekend, [Lisa Dadio]: she was looking forward and finalizing all the plans and had been in contact [Lisa Dadio]: with family members and friends that were coming in for her wedding. There was [Lisa Dadio]: no signs that anything was awry. One of the early theories – well there was [Lisa Dadio]: actually two that were going on about this case – was one: [Lisa Dadio]: was she a runaway bride? At that time, when this happened, there had been a [Lisa Dadio]: couple other high-profile cases where soon-to-be Brides had kind of fled and [Lisa Dadio]: – because they didn’t want to get married. So initially, the thought process is ‘do [Lisa Dadio]: we have this case of, again, another runaway bride?’ And then the other thought [Lisa Dadio]: process was ‘Was she kidnapped?’ and anytime somebody’s kidnapped and brought [Lisa Dadio]: over the state lines, the FBI gets involved because it involves an [Lisa Dadio]: interstate type of thing. And so that’s why in the initial stages, Yale [Lisa Dadio]: University and the FBI – FBI were involved. New Haven PD was requested a couple days [Lisa Dadio]: later to actually assist in the missing person case, because there were literally [Lisa Dadio]: dozens and dozens of people that had to be interviewed. Everybody that worked in [Lisa Dadio]: the lab they wanted to interview to see if they saw her. They were starting to [Lisa Dadio]: comb over all the different camera angles that all exist from the Sterling [Lisa Dadio]: Building over to Amistad and everything in between. There were people from her [Lisa Dadio]: family that needed to be interviewed, friends that needed to be interviewed and [Lisa Dadio]: Yale needed more resources. So at that early stage, the New Haven Police [Lisa Dadio]: Department did provide a sergeant and six detectives to assist in the missing [Lisa Dadio]: person portion of this case. Doing background work, you know. Following up on [Lisa Dadio]: information that was coming in, people who may have seen her. You know, sometimes [Lisa Dadio]: when you put out a missing person poster, there’s sightings of what people think [Lisa Dadio]: are the person. But every time somebody calls in, law enforcement has to track [Lisa Dadio]: that lead down. So they needed the resources that were provided both from [Lisa Dadio]: the FBI, New Haven PD, and Yale University PD. At the time, these early days, the [Lisa Dadio]: three departments are actually interviewing people, reviewing security [Lisa Dadio]: camera footage, trying to figure out what happened. Looking at every camera angle [Lisa Dadio]: of Ten Amistad to see if, in fact, Annie left the building at any point in time [Lisa Dadio]: whether on her own or with somebody else. Like was there anything that was [Lisa Dadio]: captured – because all the entrances and exits are videotaped. But that footage [Lisa Dadio]: and how slow it has to go, and all the different angles [Lisa Dadio]: requires a slow and tedious process and multiple eyes to go through, because [Lisa Dadio]: you’re looking, in some of them, in black and white photos. You’re not looking at [Lisa Dadio]: color images for all of them. As this is going on and it’s a lot of back, like [Lisa Dadio]: – legwork, basically, that is going on during this case – a graduate student who had [Lisa Dadio]: worked in the lab and had gone into Annie’s lab room finds a box of what’s [Lisa Dadio]: called white balls. Basically paper towels that was on a car, and on the box [Lisa Dadio]: according to the graduate student, it appeared to have reddish-brown in color [Lisa Dadio]: stains. Anybody who has been involved at all in any aspect of [Lisa Dadio]: Criminal Justice, Forensic Science, Crime Scene investigation, it is like ‘Hmm, it [Lisa Dadio]: looks like blood.’ So the graduate student was like ‘You know this box and the blood [Lisa Dadio]: on it is kind of odd.’ She alerted the authorities to that. The FBI and Yale University [Lisa Dadio]: finds additional items of evidence at this early stage, that had [Lisa Dadio]: blood-like – a blood-like substance on them, actually. A lab coat, some other [Lisa Dadio]: items were found on that lower level which started, now, having law enforcement [Lisa Dadio]: think ‘Do we have something else that is going on here?’ But you have to remember [Lisa Dadio]: it’s also a research lab there could be blood from animals or anything else [Lisa Dadio]: that’s there or, god forbid, a student had injured themselves or somebody else. So [Lisa Dadio]: you can’t automatically jump to a conclusion that ‘This is Annie’s’ or that [Lisa Dadio]: something bad has happened. You have to investigate it out. So, FBI agents

[Lisa Dadio]: actually go ahead and interview an animal technician that had worked there [Lisa Dadio]: and was responsible for the floor and his name is Ray Clark or Raymond Clark [Lisa Dadio]: Ray Clark is responsible for cleaning, taking care of the cages, if any mice die [Lisa Dadio]: that are part of the research, he removes the mice from their cages and has a [Lisa Dadio]: close working relationship with the research students [Lisa Dadio]: that are down there. And he’s responsible for – for cleaning up and making [Lisa Dadio]: sure that whole bottom level is sterile and appropriate for research. Clark, from [Lisa Dadio]: his interview with the FBI, says that he last saw Annie on September 8th around [Lisa Dadio]: 10:30 in the morning. Yeah okay, you know, we kind of know that too. We know when she [Lisa Dadio]: key carded into her room, we know when she key carded into the building, that [Lisa Dadio]: kind of makes sense to us. The 10:30 window isn’t out of the – out of the realm [Lisa Dadio]: of possibilities, that it wasn’t 10:10 or 10:30. But he says he sees her [Lisa Dadio]: around 10:30 and that she was wearing a brown skirt and a yellow lab coat. Well, [Lisa Dadio]: we know she was wearing a brown skirt, but we don’t know that she was wearing a [Lisa Dadio]: yellow lab coat at that time, because even though there’s all the video [Lisa Dadio]: outside of the building, there’s no video, or there wasn’t any video at that time [Lisa Dadio]: of the hallways, in the lab room. So you don’t – once somebody gets off an elevator, [Lisa Dadio]: you don’t know where they go. So you see nothing at that point. You don’t see her [Lisa Dadio]: going into a room, you see nothing. Only thing you have is a keycard to get into [Lisa Dadio]: the room. Ray Clark also reported that he saw Annie leave her lab between 12:30 [Lisa Dadio]: and 12:45 on September 8th and that she was carrying her notebook and two bags [Lisa Dadio]: of mouse food. Well now we know what? A couple things. We know he was the last [Lisa Dadio]: one to probably see her, but where did she go at 12:00 or 12:30? At this stage, [Lisa Dadio]: we’re looking through all the video footage and we don’t see her leaving the [Lisa Dadio]: building. So where was she going at 12:00 or 12:30 and why does she have two bags [Lisa Dadio]: of mouse food? Couple red flags go up there. Believe it or not, the same day [Lisa Dadio]: that Annie goes missing, a fire alarm goes off around 1:00 o’clock that day [Lisa Dadio]: Everybody has to evacuate the building. All six or seven floors that are there [Lisa Dadio]: So you see a massive amount of people coming out: students, animal techs, any type [Lisa Dadio]: of service people that are in there, faculty members. Everybody’s leaving the building [Lisa Dadio]: Agents, police officers, now have to comb through all of that because we’re [Lisa Dadio]: looking at all these angels – all these angles, all the people that are pouring [Lisa Dadio]: out of the building to see if, in fact, Annie is seen in any of the footage [Lisa Dadio]: She’s not. So now we know you have a fire alarm, everybody vacates the building, but [Lisa Dadio]: she’s not seen. In anything. We slow everything down, [Lisa Dadio]: we put multiple eyes on it because after a while your eyes get tired of looking [Lisa Dadio]: at the screen trying to find an image of her, some of which is in black and white [Lisa Dadio]: And she’s not seen. Fire alarm is cleared, believe it or not it has nothing [Lisa Dadio]: to do with this case as much as we thought it did, but I’ll come back to it [Lisa Dadio]: And then everybody goes back into the building. Ray Clark is seen at the end of [Lisa Dadio]: the day leaving. We see the car he goes into – again all captured. We see people [Lisa Dadio]: are in the car, we see everything he goes. But what we notice is that his clothing [Lisa Dadio]: has changed. But we don’t realize this early on. This is after we start combing [Lisa Dadio]: through hours and hours of footage that his clothing had changed. Another red [Lisa Dadio]: flag. So now we have an animal tech who saw her at 10:30, admits to wearing what [Lisa Dadio]: we know she was wearing, she’s last seen 12:00 or 12:30 according to him, but yet [Lisa Dadio]: she doesn’t appear anywhere, and then there’s a fire alarm that goes on after [Lisa Dadio]: he says he sees her but yet she’s not seen leaving the building, so where is she? [Lisa Dadio]: During this kind of three-day time span, Yale PD, the FBI, and New Haven PD are [Lisa Dadio]: continuing to interview people, going through all the video footage. You know, [Lisa Dadio]: combing through everything, trying to make sense of it all. Looking to see if [Lisa Dadio]: any credit cards have been used because, you know, is it possible – you always have [Lisa Dadio]: to think – ‘Is it possible that I missed her? Is it possible that she was behind [Lisa Dadio]: somebody as they were leaving the building and that’s why we didn’t see [Lisa Dadio]: her?’ You always have to raise the possibility that you’re not perfect and [Lisa Dadio]: that you miss something. So you still have to continue interviewing people [Lisa Dadio]: They had interview grad students that working there seeing [Lisa Dadio]: if they saw her that day, there were several service techs that were working

[Lisa Dadio]: on the floor that day. Interviews of them had gone on. Literally hundreds [Lisa Dadio]: of investigators are working on this case around the clock both from Yale [Lisa Dadio]: University, the FBI, and New Haven Police Department. The Connecticut State Police [Lisa Dadio]: are called in by Yale PD because right now Yale PD – still in the early the early stages – are [Lisa Dadio]: the lead agency because they’re still treating it as a missing person [Lisa Dadio]: Despite everything that I’ve told you, it’s still being treated as a missing [Lisa Dadio]: person at this point. On Friday, Saturday of that week, New Haven Police Department [Lisa Dadio]: Major Crime Unit, myself and my team, are called in to take over the investigation, [Lisa Dadio]: and we now assume the lead in what we are now considering a suspicious [Lisa Dadio]: incident, and no longer a missing persons case. Part of that has to do with we [Lisa Dadio]: started finding evidence that was indicative of some type of an assault [Lisa Dadio]: that had taken place. Articles of clothing that were hidden in numerous [Lisa Dadio]: places in the lower level of the lab that had blood-like substance on it. So [Lisa Dadio]: in addition to the white ball box, in addition to a lab coat, there were other [Lisa Dadio]: items that were located. So now we’re saying ‘You know what, there’s no way that [Lisa Dadio]: this is just a missing-persons case,’ and still there was no signs of Annie anywhere [Lisa Dadio]: On Saturday, September 12th, there’s a major briefing that occurs with [Lisa Dadio]: everybody that’s involved in this case over at the FBI headquarters. FBI [Lisa Dadio]: headquarters kind of became our staging area, and the reason for that was, it was [Lisa Dadio]: a media circus, everywhere. Over on Amistad Street where Annie’s lab building [Lisa Dadio]: was, the New Haven Police Department was a circus, you name it. Anywhere and [Lisa Dadio]: everywhere media from all over the world were camped out, literally. Tents and all, [Lisa Dadio]: trying to get footage and information on this case. This case made national news [Lisa Dadio]: People were leaking information that was inaccurate, which was hindering the [Lisa Dadio]: investigation. It was truly a circus. So we had to set up in a secure area which [Lisa Dadio]: was the FBI. You can’t get anywhere near it – it’s – anybody who knows it it’s on [Lisa Dadio]: State Street New Haven. It was a perfect place for us and nobody knew that we [Lisa Dadio]: were there, even some of the people in house in New Haven’s didn’t know that that’s where we [Lisa Dadio]: were staged. So we had a major briefing. Myself and our unit got brought up to [Lisa Dadio]: speed as to what had been done and then we formulated a plan on what needed to [Lisa Dadio]: be done at this point, treating it now that something possibly not so good [Lisa Dadio]: had happened to Annie based upon the items that were being found. The [Lisa Dadio]: Connecticut State Police became our right arm [Lisa Dadio]: They were the agency that actually had processed that entire basement level of [Lisa Dadio]: Ten Amistad with their teams of detectives and sergeants and did an [Lisa Dadio]: unbelievable amount of work. We literally, in this case, worked around the clock, 20-21 [Lisa Dadio]: hours a day for about nine days until Raymond Clark was arrested. We’d go home, [Lisa Dadio]: we’d shower, we’d change we’d come back in, getting a couple hours of sleep here and [Lisa Dadio]: there. Physically it can be done, believe it or not. I lived it. I can tell you that [Lisa Dadio]: you can go that way cuz your adrenaline is there, and there’s just so much going [Lisa Dadio]: on and you want to find her. And where is she? And we didn’t – we truly had no idea [Lisa Dadio]: where she was. Part of the concern that we had once we became the lead agency [Lisa Dadio]: was, well where is she? We didn’t find her anywhere. We’re [Lisa Dadio]: looking for her, where is she? And don’t forget, during this time, the lab is still [Lisa Dadio]: open. The lab doesn’t get shut down – it was either Thursday or Friday of that [Lisa Dadio]: week. So Annie goes missing on Tuesday, Wednesday it’s business as normal, [Lisa Dadio]: Thursday, it’s business as normal and people are coming and going. So a lot of [Lisa Dadio]: stuff is going on there, because they’re treating it as a missing person case and [Lisa Dadio]: you don’t know how to treat it any other way at this point. Under other [Lisa Dadio]: circumstances, the lab would have been locked down, nobody’s allowed to go in [Lisa Dadio]: and out. You treat it like a regular crime scene [Lisa Dadio]: You have to secure it in order to prevent contamination and destruction of [Lisa Dadio]: evidence. But at the time, it was a missing person case. That’s what they had [Lisa Dadio]: They had nothing else. So, we’re like, ‘Well if she’s not here where can she be?’ [Lisa Dadio]: Well, it’s a research facility. Garbage is taken out of there all the time. In big [Lisa Dadio]: garbage cans, and totes, you name it. And Annie was tiny. Five feet tall, ninety [Lisa Dadio]: pounds, a little frail young woman. So she could have easily have been put into any [Lisa Dadio]: type of garbage can or anything and gone with regular medical waste or [Lisa Dadio]: other waste from the building during that time. So FBI agents, Connecticut State

[Lisa Dadio]: Police, and local law enforcement went, actually, to an incinerator facility in [Lisa Dadio]: Hartford to try to find the bags and the garbage that were taken out of Ten [Lisa Dadio]: Amistad Street looking for her body or any other type of evidence that we [Lisa Dadio]: may find. Any other bloody articles of anything, we’re looking for at this point [Lisa Dadio]: So because there’s so many people work in this case we were able to divvy up a [Lisa Dadio]: lot of the responsibilities in this case. On Saturday, which is September 12th, we’re [Lisa Dadio]: in the lower level of Ten Amistad and we start getting whiffs of decomposition [Lisa Dadio]: Now I can tell you working in law enforcement for 20-plus years, processing [Lisa Dadio]: hundreds of crime scenes, being involved in umpteen numbers of investigations, [Lisa Dadio]: that’s a smell that is unlike anything else. When the human body dies and the [Lisa Dadio]: – and your body goes through natural decomposition, it gives off an [Lisa Dadio]: odor. We start to smell it. And there’s nothing else in the world that smells [Lisa Dadio]: like that. So our next thing is, ‘Well where is she?’ [Lisa Dadio]: Because now we know she has to be here somewhere. But you have a research [Lisa Dadio]: building that has multi-million dollar ventilation systems. You know, where can [Lisa Dadio]: she be that we’re getting the smell? And we kept getting it and getting it, and [Lisa Dadio]: yet we we couldn’t find her. We had no idea where she was [Lisa Dadio]: Cadaver dogs are brought in because their trained, and their amazing sense of [Lisa Dadio]: smell can alert you to where somebody may be, even if they’re hidden. The dogs [Lisa Dadio]: actually alert to a bathroom on the lower level of the research floor, [Lisa Dadio]: Annie’s floor. They open up a mechanical chase, which is a metal type of wall [Lisa Dadio]: plate where pipes and stuff are, because the dog is alerting to the wall. Well the [Lisa Dadio]: only way in the wall is through this mechanical chase. They open it up and [Lisa Dadio]: they find Annie in the wall, obviously deceased. She’s removed from the wall [Lisa Dadio]: later on because we had to think about, ‘How do you take the wall apart without [Lisa Dadio]: damaging evidence and destroying evidence?’ You know, you have – sheet rock [Lisa Dadio]: that you have to go through in order to remove her, and you’re not gonna pull her [Lisa Dadio]: up through the wall. You have to remove the wall, at the same time being [Lisa Dadio]: cognizant of any trace evidence, any biological evidence that’s on her and [Lisa Dadio]: trying not to contaminate anything. That evening, on September 13th, we remove her [Lisa Dadio]: from the wall, and unfortunately that’s also the day that Annie was due to [Lisa Dadio]: get married. The case was a tough one. You see it still brings tears to my eyes [Lisa Dadio]: because, you know, you try, and you hope that she is found. And yet, we do find her, [Lisa Dadio]: but not where we were hoping to find her. And for it to be on the day that she was [Lisa Dadio]: due to get married was – was ultra hard for us. I don’t want to say bittersweet, [Lisa Dadio]: at least we found her, we knew where she was. Now we had to find who was [Lisa Dadio]: responsible for this horrific, horrific, crime [Lisa Dadio]: I’ll stop here for a second before I go on. Questions, so far up to this point for me? Yes? [Audience Member]: You mentioned that there is – a lot of agencies – agencies involved and everything. How did you determine who was going to take the lead? [Lisa Dadio]: Good. So, initially, because it was a missing Yale graduate student, Yale [Lisa Dadio]: University took the lead, because it was their case, it started with them, and the [Lisa Dadio]: FBI was actually assisting. I know you guys got to go. That’s okay [Lisa Dadio]: It’s alright, it’s okay. So Yale University assisted, and it comes down to [Lisa Dadio]: who has the legal authority to [Lisa Dadio]: investigate the case and possibly prosecute, if need be. If it was [Lisa Dadio]: kidnapping it would automatically go to the FBI at that point. So Yale was the lead [Lisa Dadio]: up until we started finding items of evidence, and then the State’s Attorney’s [Lisa Dadio]: Office, who oversees both Yale University and New Haven Police Department had given [Lisa Dadio]: our agency control of the case. And because now we were treating it more of [Lisa Dadio]: suspicious circumstances, FBI had no authority, because it was something that

[Lisa Dadio]: was a state, it didn’t involve interstate. It was something in-house, and so it came [Lisa Dadio]: to our agency as being the lead. But, that being said, I honestly have to tell you [Lisa Dadio]: we worked seamlessly. There were some bumps. You know, you have a lot of people, [Lisa Dadio]: you have, you know, supervisors, Chiefs of Police, you have command staff that are [Lisa Dadio]: involved from all these agencies and – and truly, the media put a lot of stress on [Lisa Dadio]: us. So – but it was seamless. We actually were able to do the job and do it well [Lisa Dadio]: with no problems within the agencies, even when we came in to take it over [Lisa Dadio]: days later. You know, Yale University and the FBI provided an amazing foundation for us [Lisa Dadio]: It made it easier for us coming in a few days later to take it over from a [Lisa Dadio]: homicide investigation standpoint. Anybody else? Yes? [Audience Member]: What was the point of entry into the wall? [Lisa Dadio]: So it was actually through that – that mechanical chase – that wall unit. It was a metal – a piece of [Lisa Dadio]: metal that was secured in four locations, and because she’s so tiny, she actually [Lisa Dadio]: fit in. Once you removed the metal plate, it’s an opening in the wall, [Lisa Dadio]: she actually fit in the wall. Any – Yes? [Audience Member]: So without those dogs, it probably – would you have ever found her, do you think? [Lisa Dadio]: I don’t even want to think about that. Um, I think we probably would have, it just – because the [Lisa Dadio]: smell would have kept getting bad. And it would have gotten stronger, and it would [Lisa Dadio]: have been, where we would have kept going around, literally, like – like being a [Lisa Dadio]: canine ourselves and smelling where it was coming from and trying to rule out [Lisa Dadio]: anywhere where something could be. We knew by looking at it that there were no [Lisa Dadio]: new areas that were sheetrocked or painted over, you know what I mean? Like that [Lisa Dadio]: part we knew. So then it’s like, ‘Okay, where else could she be?’. And then looking [Lisa Dadio]: in drop ceilings. There was a lot of drop ceilings, they’re like ‘Could she be up there?’ [Lisa Dadio]: We didn’t think so, but we still had to look. Because we would think that she [Lisa Dadio]: would have fallen through or, you know, you would see some type of seepage of [Lisa Dadio]: the decomposition process. So I would like to think we would have eventually [Lisa Dadio]: found her, just not as quick. It just would have taken us a few days longer to do it. Good. Any other questions over – Yes? [Audience Member]: Do you think this case was treated as a missing person’s case for too long? Would you’ve liked to have it referred to you earlier? [Lisa Dadio]: Oh, god. That’s always the million-dollar question. I think based upon the information they [Lisa Dadio]: had, that it was okay for it to be treated as a missing persons case [Lisa Dadio]: because you had to start with – there’s all this stuff going on, she’s getting [Lisa Dadio]: married, you, know did she get kind of cold feet, you know, that was really, like [Lisa Dadio]: the main focus initially. And that kind of made sense, initially, until when you [Lisa Dadio]: started doing the interview and talking to different people [Lisa Dadio]: were they’re like, ‘There’s no way.’ There was no indication – she was so happy. She had [Lisa Dadio]: talked to somebody I think the night before or that morning of about coming up [Lisa Dadio]: for the weekend, you know, for the wedding and – and so there were no signs of that [Lisa Dadio]: Of course we would always like to be involved from the beginning, but there [Lisa Dadio]: was nothing leading to the fact that we had a suspicious death or suspicious [Lisa Dadio]: incident that – it wasn’t something other than – . Which is why, I mean, literally, we [Lisa Dadio]: were combing through the video surveillance. I say ‘we’ , it was – it was [Lisa Dadio]: really the FBI and other law enforcement agencies that were helping us do the [Lisa Dadio]: video. Because we couldn’t focus only in on that. There were other things that we [Lisa Dadio]: need to be do – we needed to talk to people. We had to talk to anybody that [Lisa Dadio]: entered the lab that day to see, ‘Did you see her?’ . You know, and – and at this time [Lisa Dadio]: we’re also – . You know, we’re finding these items of evidence, it’s ‘Where does it [Lisa Dadio]: come from?’, asking people to give buccal swabs, you know, that can be used for DNA [Lisa Dadio]: purposes. You know, conducting all of this thing. And literally, hundreds of people were [Lisa Dadio]: interviewed. So I don’t think, you know, looking back – everything that was done in [Lisa Dadio]: the beginning laid the foundation for us as we progressed. You know, New Haven got [Lisa Dadio]: involved I think it was at that Thursday where they asked for people to help [Lisa Dadio]: treat it as a missing person. Just, the major crime part of it didn’t get [Lisa Dadio]: involved with it until later. But the work was truly set by then. And we didn’t, [Lisa Dadio]: at least, have to do all that foundation work. It’s always easy to look back and [Lisa Dadio]: say, ‘What would you have done differently?’, you know should of, could of, what of. I [Lisa Dadio]: don’t know. Based upon the circumstances that were known to us at the time, I [Lisa Dadio]: think it was a right call that they made. Yes? [Audience Member]: When you say, ‘Combing through the – the images’, that was with just your eyes, or was there a digital –

[Lisa Dadio]: No was with our eyes. Yeah [Audience Member]: So were you – . Like, were you always, like kind of eighty percent confident you had it and maybe you missed her or something? [Lisa Dadio]: Well that’s why it went through multiple people. Because you had to [Lisa Dadio]: – you really had to, and you slowed everything down. And so you had to comb [Lisa Dadio]: through all of this footage. And it wasn’t just for the day that she goes [Lisa Dadio]: missing. It was also the days afterwards. Because, maybe you missed her [Lisa Dadio]: and, you know, did she get out somehow that – ? You just don’t – you didn’t know. So, you [Lisa Dadio]: know, it required around-the-clock, multiple people looking at all the [Lisa Dadio]: camera angles. And we focused on certain, you know, the entrance and exits obviously [Lisa Dadio]: We weren’t so concerned with street and sidewalk activity. We focused, really [Lisa Dadio]: on the entrances and exits, ‘How could she have come out?’ . And did we [Lisa Dadio]: see anything that would be suspicious – and we didn’t. So – Yes? [Audience Member]: Since the smell would be, like, so prominent. Nobody in the lab ever said ‘There’s a strange smell coming’ – like, they never noticed? [Lisa Dadio]: It didn’t happen right away. So she was killed on Tuesday and it wasn’t until Saturday that we [Lisa Dadio]: smelled it. She’s in a wall that the only way for the odor to come out is [Lisa Dadio]: through whatever little separation exists between the metal plate and the [Lisa Dadio]: wall. So there’s nowhere for that to go. And so it took that long. And remember, [Lisa Dadio]: with decomposition, a lot of things come into play.Temperature, you know, was it cool? It was September. Honestly I don’t remember back then what the temperature [Lisa Dadio]: was like – I think typical, like what we’re experiencing. I don’t remember it being [Lisa Dadio]: cold or hot. I – believe or not I could remember suits I wore every day as [Lisa Dadio]: bizarre as that sounds. But I do, because that was always a big thing. I had up in [Lisa Dadio]: another suit on, you know, never knowing when I was gonna have to do an interview [Lisa Dadio]: with the media or whichever. But, you know, so like that thing and so it’s not odd [Lisa Dadio]: that it took us so many days to smell it. Because, again, you’re talking [Lisa Dadio]: about a multi-million dollar ventilation system. Because of – and, the other part of [Lisa Dadio]: that was, the mice smell. So, when I tell you I walked down there for the first [Lisa Dadio]: time and I was taken back because [Lisa Dadio]: thousands – to me they seem like thousands, I couldn’t have told you I didn’t count [Lisa Dadio]: but, you know, the smell of thousands of mice in all these research rooms in [Lisa Dadio]: cages, they smell. So that smell was very overpowering, so much so when you left, [Lisa Dadio]: you smelled of cages or whatever. Whatever it was used for them. So, I think [Lisa Dadio]: that was part of the issue too, is that the smell was maybe getting morphed by [Lisa Dadio]: the animals. The mice, they were mice. They weren’t – that were down there. So, thank you [Lisa Dadio]: Any other question? Yes? [Audience Member]: Those Cadaver dogs, were they yours from the New Haven Police Department? [Lisa Dadio]: No we don’t have them, they were actually the Connecticut [Lisa Dadio]: State Police. And that was a whole other, you know, because – you have multi-million [Lisa Dadio]: dollar research being there, that are funded from corporations and agencies [Lisa Dadio]: and the – . Bringing dogs, animals, into a sterile environment and whatever type of [Lisa Dadio]: insects or whatever the dog may have on it. I mean, these were all things that we [Lisa Dadio]: had to maneuver and go through kind of the red tape where we’re like yeah this [Lisa Dadio]: is at – at the time we were in control the investigation like, ‘I don’t [Lisa Dadio]: care about your research’. You know what I mean. And for those of you that know me [Lisa Dadio]: that’s the way I’m like – ‘I don’t care’, you know. ‘Oh well’. You know the dogs have to [Lisa Dadio]: come in because we got to find her. And so they did their job – it was the [Lisa Dadio]: Connecticut State Police that came in with their dogs. Okay [Lisa Dadio]: So, September 13th 2009, Annie’s removed, she’s brought up to the [Lisa Dadio]: medical examiner’s office in Farmington where an autopsies performed. Her, [Lisa Dadio]: obviously, her manner of death is ruled as a homicide, her cause of death was [Lisa Dadio]: strangulation. Annie had a broken jaw and a broken collarbone and had bruising to [Lisa Dadio]: the back of her head consistent with, obviously, being assaulted at some point [Lisa Dadio]: We start looking at keycard access. All right, I – remember I mentioned to you [Lisa Dadio]: about the keycard, and we know when Annie checked in. We start looking at [Lisa Dadio]: everybody else that checked into Annies lab or room after, because that’s the [Lisa Dadio]: last place we know she was based upon keycard. We see that Ray Clark used his [Lisa Dadio]: key card to access Annie’s lab at 10:40. It’s 29 minutes after she originally [Lisa Dadio]: went in. Now, not typically,. You know, there were other people that had entered into

[Lisa Dadio]: her room, then but we knew that, we already interviewed them. People that had [Lisa Dadio]: been, there they said, ‘Yeah, she was in there working’. So we knew at 10:11 [Lisa Dadio]: to say 10:20-ish she was alive, based upon other people. Ray goes in there at [Lisa Dadio]: 10:40, and then he goes in there again at 11:04. So we’re able, based upon that, to [Lisa Dadio]: say sometime between 10:40 and 11:04 Annie is probably killed. Ray doesn’t access any [Lisa Dadio]: other rooms down there for 46 minutes. So something, is going on, in that room at [Lisa Dadio]: the time. Now what I can tell you, the room itself: door automatically closes, [Lisa Dadio]: there’s cages all lined up, there’s a metal chair rail on the back, a very [Lisa Dadio]: sterile environment. There is a little window that you can see into the lab, but [Lisa Dadio]: you can’t – there’s cages. Rows and rows and rows of cages. Where we believe Annie was [Lisa Dadio]: assaulted and murdered was in the back of the room based upon evidence that we [Lisa Dadio]: recovered back there. And, you know, after that, the key card and Rays key card [Lisa Dadio]: became paramount in this case, where we were seeing what he did over three days, [Lisa Dadio]: and how he keeps accessing certain rooms, frantically, like 50 times in a day, [Lisa Dadio]: which he never had done all the months prior to this incident. So, what do we do? [Lisa Dadio]: We find evidence in that room. You know, this is stuff that we start putting [Lisa Dadio]: together. Now this is after Annie’s been found. When Annie was found in the wall, [Lisa Dadio]: there was a green pen – and I bring up the green pen here. There was a green pen [Lisa Dadio]: that was found in the wall with her. We didn’t know the significance of it. Was [Lisa Dadio]: at her pen, was not her pen? You know, what is it? What – did our suspect have it, what [Lisa Dadio]: is it? So, as the Connecticut State Police are [Lisa Dadio]: going through everything, there was like a log that the techs had to sign as to [Lisa Dadio]: when they did certain things in certain rooms. Well wouldn’t you know, prior to [Lisa Dadio]: 10:40, Ray Clark used the green pen. After 10:40, Ray Clark used a black or blue pen, [Lisa Dadio]: no more green pen. We find Ray Clark’s and Annie’s DNA on the green pen that was [Lisa Dadio]: in the wall. That was one of the items that – that tied it in. But it was, well why, [Lisa Dadio]: you know, this whole green pen became a big issue for us to help, again, link Ray [Lisa Dadio]: to this case. Multiple, multiple, multiple search and seizure warrants are prepared, [Lisa Dadio]: they’re executed on a lot of different things, but we, in fact, issue a search and [Lisa Dadio]: seizure warrant for Ray Clark to collect samples from him under court order. Hair [Lisa Dadio]: samples to be removed from his head, his arm, his chest, buccal swabs, oral swabs [Lisa Dadio]: and also to have blood removed from him and – as well as fingerprints. Because what [Lisa Dadio]: we need to do was take known samples from Ray and compare them to the unknown [Lisa Dadio]: evidence that we recovered from the scene. Everything is unknown. We had [Lisa Dadio]: Annie’s DNA, but we didn’t have this other person’s DNA that kept coming up [Lisa Dadio]: in things that we were finding. We also had done search and seizure warrants on [Lisa Dadio]: Ray’s house, on a car that was in Ray’s driveway as well as the car that was [Lisa Dadio]: used to transport Ray home that day, looking for evidence. Results [Lisa Dadio]: started coming in. In this case, saying ‘Ray Clark’, ‘Annie Le’, ‘Ray Clark’, ‘Annie Le’ [Lisa Dadio]: That’s who the DNA is on a lot of items we found, some of which I’m not going to [Lisa Dadio]: go into. But, the pen was one. Obviously that was – that was a big part as well as [Lisa Dadio]: other items of evidence. Connecticut State Police are still processing the [Lisa Dadio]: same. So, you know, this was a long process. It’s a massive research facility and [Lisa Dadio]: evidence was hidden everywhere. In drop ceilings, in bins, down – down drains in [Lisa Dadio]: the research rooms. You name it, and he concealed evidence absolutely everywhere [Lisa Dadio]: And it was our job, the Connecticut State Police’s job, to find it. So Ray Clark. Who [Lisa Dadio]: is he? He was an individual who had no prior criminal history who had worked at [Lisa Dadio]: the Yale lab for quite some time. There were no reported incidents. There was [Lisa Dadio]: nothing that we can prove between Ray and Annie, there was no – she never [Lisa Dadio]: reported that there were – that they weren’t getting along, that there were [Lisa Dadio]: any problems, there was no text messages, there was no emails, there was nothing [Lisa Dadio]: between the two of them other than he was a technician that worked in her

[Lisa Dadio]: research room. On September 17th – this is an actual photo that was used – Ray Clark [Lisa Dadio]: was arrested – I just – it ended up -. Well this isn’t the arrest photo, this is [Lisa Dadio]: actually the photo that was taken when we had done a search warrant for him. But [Lisa Dadio]: he was arrested on September 17th for murder of Annie Le [Lisa Dadio]: On March 17, 2011, literally – to the day, 18 months to the day, Ray Clark pled guilty [Lisa Dadio]: to murder and attempted sexual assault. It was the first time that, publicly, we [Lisa Dadio]: had released that there was an attempted sexual assault that had taken place with [Lisa Dadio]: Annie based upon evidence that we had found at the scene. Originally, Ray was charged with murder and felony murder. He faced [Lisa Dadio]: up to 120 years of incarceration for the charges. He pled guilty to everything, was [Lisa Dadio]: remorseful of 120 years. The plea, which was accepted by Annie’s family – he’s gonna [Lisa Dadio]: serve 44 years for the murder, 20 years for the sexual assault, but the 20 years [Lisa Dadio]: are gonna run concurrently, at the same time as the murder, for the attempted [Lisa Dadio]: sexual assault. And Clark will be incarcerated into 2053. Why? Everybody [Lisa Dadio]: always asks. I’ve done a couple TV shows on this case – everybody wants to know the [Lisa Dadio]: million-dollar question is the why. We don’t know. We really don’t know why Ray [Lisa Dadio]: did it. We have our guesses as to why. He never told us why. He was interviewed [Lisa Dadio]: early on by the FBI. He was given a polygraph early on by the FBI. I’m not [Lisa Dadio]: sure of what the results of that polygraph are now. But, you can’t use [Lisa Dadio]: polygraph results anyway in any type of proceeding. And then, Ray had stated he [Lisa Dadio]: wasn’t going to talk to us anymore and had retained an attorney. So we were [Lisa Dadio]: never able to ask the ‘Why?’ . You know, we think, possibly, there was – he was [Lisa Dadio]: infatuated with her. She was brilliant, they had worked together for a bit. She [Lisa Dadio]: was due to get married. To us, that was the only thing that kind of made sense [Lisa Dadio]: There was a lot of rage in her murder. And, kind of the things that had happened [Lisa Dadio]: and then the care and what he did afterwards in regards to the scene, and [Lisa Dadio]: the cleanup, and the hiding of evidence, and – and literally putting evidence all [Lisa Dadio]: over the place in attempts to conceal who did it. That’s the only thing [Lisa Dadio]: that made sense to us. But sometimes, you know, it’s not logical as to why somebody [Lisa Dadio]: does something. So, you know, I’m always asking ‘Why do you think?’, ‘Why do you think?’, [Lisa Dadio]: ‘Why do you think?’. It’s hard to say. I mean, that’s the only [Lisa Dadio]: thing we can surmise because it makes sense as to the timing of it. You know, we [Lisa Dadio]: know that Annie goes missing on Tuesday, Thursday she’s due to go away to get [Lisa Dadio]: ready for her wedding. And so here, basically, was two days before she was to [Lisa Dadio]: go. But there was no evidence that linked us to that. Again, no text messages, no [Lisa Dadio]: anything between the two of them that were found. Questions? Yes? [Audience Member]: [Asks inaudible question] [Lisa Dadio]: None that were known or documented, no. Good. Yes? [Audience Member]: Are there any attempts still being made to communicate with him to maybe answer the question ‘Why?’? [Lisa Dadio]: No from a law enforcement standpoint, and I’m not so sure his attorneys would allow it. Because it [Lisa Dadio]: comes down to is -. The why would be self satisfying. It doesn’t change any of the [Lisa Dadio]: horrific, truly horrific, things that took place. And I don’t – personally I [Lisa Dadio]: don’t care what his excuse is, for the why. It still doesn’t – and it is, it’s just an [Lisa Dadio]: excuse, You know, he snapped. There were reports that came afterwards. It was all [Lisa Dadio]: over ‘Good Morning America’ and some other shows that ex-girlfriends came forward [Lisa Dadio]: to say that he was violent in their relationship and he had a short fuse and [Lisa Dadio]: all this other stuff, but there was no reported incidents of that. So you have [Lisa Dadio]: to be careful with that kind of information. Everybody that worked with [Lisa Dadio]: him, the other research assistants, you know, or the researchers. Nobody had [Lisa Dadio]: anything bad to say about him. He kind of kept himself, he really cared about [Lisa Dadio]: caring for the animals and – and – and nothing made sense, you know I mean? I [Lisa Dadio]: think, for all of us, it doesn’t matter as to the why other than for curiosity’s sake [Audience Member]: I remember this case because I live local, so [Lisa Dadio]: Yeah I know, every – Yeah, Yeah. And somebody else had their hand raised. No? Yes?

[Audience Member]: Earlier you said his clothes were changed when he headed out to his vehicle on that first day [Lisa Dadio]: His scrubs were were changed, yup [Audience Member]: The clothes that he was wearing when he had first entered work, did that turn up as any significant evidence? [Lisa Dadio]: No. Because, what happens is, when we did the search warrant of his [Lisa Dadio]: house and we looked for those items of evidence, they were there, but they had been [Lisa Dadio]: washed. Because a search warrant on his residence was done after – was done almost a week later. Yes? [Audience Member]: Did anybody ever think that it might have been voluntary manslaughter rather than murder? [Audience Member]: Like – more of like a ‘heat of the moment’ kind of thing, there was no time to really think about it – he felt rejected by the sexual assault? [Audience Member]: You think it was, like, pre-planned? [Lisa Dadio]: You know pre-plan is tough, because we don’t know. We – that – the only way to prove [Lisa Dadio]: whether or not somebody pre-planned something is, obviously, if there’s [Lisa Dadio]: documentation, there’s correspondence, or if they tell you ‘Yeah, I’ve been [Lisa Dadio]: fantasizing about doing this’. He never said that. You know, he had scratches on [Lisa Dadio]: his body, and that’s one thing I didn’t put in here – he had scratches on his body [Lisa Dadio]: that, when asked and interviewed from the FBI, he said they were caused from his [Lisa Dadio]: cat, but they weren’t consistent with cat scratches. You know, am I am I a cat scratch [Lisa Dadio]: expert? No. But we all know what those look like, those are little fine lines, [Lisa Dadio]: jagged, these were not that. These looked like, you know, scratches from fingernails [Lisa Dadio]: or even from something trying to, you know. But he was – he was – he was an [Lisa Dadio]: interesting person when I saw and heard the interview with him that was taken [Lisa Dadio]: early on before we got involved. He was – but no – voluntary manslaughter was never – or [Lisa Dadio]: involuntary manslaughter was never part of the equation. Based upon everything [Lisa Dadio]: The injuries that she sustained. You know, even – you can’t claim that you didn’t [Lisa Dadio]: mean to kill somebody in a situation like that, you know and I mean? And there [Lisa Dadio]: was no – his attempts to cover everything up afterwards and all of that. But good [Lisa Dadio]: question. Any other – yes? [Audience Member]: Was there any evidence that he was maybe under something – drugs, alcohol? [Lisa Dadio]: Nothing that was reported, nothing that was documented, and [Lisa Dadio]: definitely, no claim was made to that. I think that, if that was an issue, that [Lisa Dadio]: would have been something that came up during the court proceedings as to [Lisa Dadio]: trying to say he was under the influence, he was on – you know had a psychotic break [Lisa Dadio]: but there was no defense ever given. He, in fact, actually pled guilty, without [Lisa Dadio]: anything. Initially was – it was not guilty, but a year and a half later he actually [Lisa Dadio]: pled guilty as we were getting ready to go to trial. Good. Yes? [Audience Member]: So what about that experiment in that lab that was funded nationally, I mean, was that – did that all have to be scrapped? [Lisa Dadio]: No idea. You know I – that’s a great question, um [Lisa Dadio]: From a law enforcement perspective, that was not even a concern of mine. And again, [Lisa Dadio]: it comes back to, like, about the dogs. They’re like, ‘You can’t do that’, I’m like, ‘Oh I can [Lisa Dadio]: do that’. You know, because at the end of the day, the crime scene takes precedence [Lisa Dadio]: And everything in it takes precedence over everything else [Lisa Dadio]: Part of me thinks it got scrapped, but I’m not a hundred percent sure on that [Lisa Dadio]: with the NSF, yeah . Good Any other questions? Yes? [Audience Member]: Earlier you said that, like, there was evidence basically everywhere. There was like, multiple, like, [inaudible word] and things [Audience Member]: How many room were there and how long did it take to process all that? [Lisa Dadio]: So, the Connecticut State Police, I think were there nine days, give or take, pretty [Lisa Dadio]: much around the clock with two different teams of detectives [Lisa Dadio]: There were several rooms down there. I’m going to say, I’m just trying to go by [Lisa Dadio]: room numbers that probably seven to eight rooms, not including drop ceilings, [Lisa Dadio]: loading docks. I want to bring up the fire alarm for a second, because remember I [Lisa Dadio]: said I’d come back to that? So, during this whole thing, there was a fire alarm [Lisa Dadio]: that went off, and everybody had to get vacated. And we’re, from an investigative [Lisa Dadio]: standpoint, we’re like, ‘This has to be connected. Somehow, the timing of this [Lisa Dadio]: fire alarm is connected to this case’. Believe – and we were – we were like [Lisa Dadio]: ‘There’s no way it wasn’t’. It wasn’t. There was actually a – an autoclave steam type [Lisa Dadio]: of system that actually malfunctioned and caused the fire alarm to go off. And

[Lisa Dadio]: so it had nothing to do with this.The two people that were involved when that [Lisa Dadio]: autoclave system went off were extensively interviewed, their [Lisa Dadio]: backgrounds were checked , because we’re like, ‘They have something to do with it’ and [Lisa Dadio]: they didn’t, obviously. But you got to, you know – . Literally, when I tell you, everybody [Lisa Dadio]: was a suspect initially. You know, once we started to say, ‘Okay, she’s not a missing [Lisa Dadio]: person, who else had access?’, and then we start looking at everybody that had [Lisa Dadio]: access to her lab room. Good. Any other questions? [Lisa Dadio]: Okay. Thank you Thank you