Herman and Sharron – Dr Hugh Ross "Navigating Genesis" Part 1

HS 14 8 27 ♪ MUSIC ♪ MUSIC ♪ MUSIC ♪ MUSIC ♪ MUSIC >> THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING CTN, AND NOW, IT IS TIME WITH HERMAN AND SHARRON >>HERMAN: I LOVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY YOU NEED TO PARK RIGHT HERE, AND YOU WILL NOT AND WERE GOING TO BE DOING A TWO-PART SHOW TODAY, AND MY SPECIAL GUEST DOCTOR HUGH ROSS, AND MY OTHER GUEST, I WILL KEEP THAT IS A SURPRISE, AND THAT WILL BE REVEALED, AND THAT WILL BE RIGHT AFTER YOU SEE ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING DVDS, AND THIS IS A VIDEO CLIP AND YOU NEED THE ENTIRE VIDEO, AND PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS >> I WAS TAUGHT, IN PHYSICS, AND THAT DARKNESS WAS NOT A SUBSTANCE, BUT IT WAS THE ABSENCE OF LIGHT, BUT GOD SAYS DARKNESS IS A SUBSTANCE, AND WE KNOW JOB GOT IT RIGHT, AND THE UNIVERSE IS NOT THE ABSENCE OF LIGHT, BUT IT IS A SUBSTANCE AND 99 PERCENT OF THE UNIVERSE IS DARK STUFF, AND NOW WE IT IS IN THREE DIFFERENT FORMS, DARK ENERGY, DARK MATTER, AND DARK ENERGY MATTER, AND WE KNOW THE QUANTITIES OF THESE THINGS, AND THEY ARE THE MOST FINE TUNED THINGS THAT WE COULD MEASURE IN THE UNIVERSE. TO FIND THE MOST SPECTACULAR EVIDENCE FOR THE SUPERNATURAL AND SUPER INTELLIGENT DESIGN, FOR THE BENEFIT OF HUMAN LIFE I SAY THE QUANTITIES OF THE DARK MATTER, AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, AND YOU HAVE TO FINE TUNE THE DARK MATTER, IT WOULD BE THE ONE HUNDRED AND 22ND POWER, FOR LIKE TO BE POSSIBLE, AND THAT DEGREE OF FINE-TUNING, AND THAT WOULD EXCEED THE BEST ENGINEERING THAT WE COULD DO, AND BY A FACTOR OF TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS, WHICH MEANS, THAT THE ONE THAT CREATED THE UNIVERSE, AND FOR THE MATTER, THE SPACE & THE TIME, AND HE IS SO MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT, AND HE HAS SO MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGE, AND HE IS BETTER FUNDED, AND HE IS MORE POWERFUL >>HERMAN: AND I WANT YOU TO MEET MY GUEST, AND DOCTOR ROSS IS HERE, AND THAT WAS ON TAPE, BUT HE IS HERE, FOLKS, AND WE HAVE GOT DOCTOR SCHROEDER AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED A PRIZE PRESENTED BY THE TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY, IN RECOGNITION OF THEIR WORK, IN DEMONSTRATING CONNECTIONS RELIGION, AND HE TEACHES AS A FACULTY MEMBER AT THE AW TOZIER SEMINARY, AND I’M FROM CHICAGO, AND THAT IS A GREAT CHURCH, AND ALSO HE SERVES AS A MINISTER OF APOLOGETICS AND SIERRA MADRE CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH, AND HE CONDUCTS A WEEKLY CLASS, AND HE LIVES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, YOU LUCKY GUY, WITH HIS WIFE KATHY AND TWO SONS, AND WHAT AN HONOR, AND THE GUY THAT I WANTED TO SURPRISE YOU WITH, AND HE IS RIGHT NEXT TO ME, AND THIS WOULD BE JUSTIN BAILEY, AND THIS GUY, AND HE WATCHES DVDS, AND HE DOES THE BOOKS, AND WE HAVE SAID, IT IS AMAZING AND HE LITERALLY, HE STUDIES, AND IT SEEMS THIS WAY WITH ME AND SHARRON, 24-7 AND I’VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY THAT IS CONSTANTLY STUDYING AND HE DOES SOMETHING SO MUCH GREATER THAN HIS GRANDFATHER, AND DOCTOR ROSS, AND HE CAN REMEMBER WHAT HE DID READS. AND SO, AND I HAVE NOT THERE YET. AND YEAH, RIGHT AND THIS IS SO GOOD TO HAVE YOU, JUSTIN. AND HE IS GOING TO BE LEAVING FOR BAYLOR UNIVERSITY, AND I THOUGHT WHAT A TREAT AND THIS WOULD BE, AND THIS WOULD BE A BLESSING THAT YOU ARE IN TIME THAT HE IS ABOUT TO LEAVE FOR BAYLOR AND YOU REMEMBER, NOW LET ME JUST BRING THIS UP, AND MAYBE AT 16, AND YOU LECTURED AT A UNIVERSITY? >>GUEST: YES. AND THAT WAS A PUBLIC LECTURE, IT WAS NOT FOR THE STUDENTS BUT FOR EVERYBODY

>>HERMAN: YOU WERE 16? >>GUEST: AND I WAS STUDYING ASTRONOMY, SINCE I WAS SEVEN, AND THEN I DID A PROJECT ARE THE NEWBORN STARS, AND WHEN I WAS GIVING A LECTURE, IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, AND THE STUDENTS WERE THERE, FROM THE DIFFERENT CLASSES >>HERMAN: AND YOU WILL ONE OF THOSE EXCEPTIONAL STUDENTS? >>GUEST: WELL, TO MY PARENTS SAY THAT I WAS BORN A SCIENTIST AND I WAS DOING EXPERIMENTS WHEN I WAS TWO YEARS OLD. AND THIS IS SOMETHING I SO ENJOYED. I HAD TO THE FINANCIERS, AND WHEN I WAS SEVEN, AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF THE STARS WERE HOT, AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHY AND I HAD TO GO TO THE LIBRARY, AND I WOULD GO BY MYSELF INTO DOWNTOWN VANCOUVER >>HERMAN: AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING JUSTIN WOULD DO >>GUEST: AND I WOULD HAVE THE BOOKS ON PHYSICS AND ASTRONOMY FROM THE LIBRARY AND I DID THIS FROM THE TIME OF AGE 8 AND I WANTED TO BE AN ASTROPHYSICIST >>HERMAN: AND HOW, AND HOW DID YOU BREAK INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEN YOU WENT TO A UNIVERSITY THAT YOU WANTED TO TEACH AT, HOW DOES THAT ALL WORK TOGETHER? >>GUEST: AND I WAS RAISED IN VANCOUVER >>HERMAN: AND I LOVE THAT AREA >>GUEST: AND YES, AND I WAS AT THE PROVINCE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA >>HERMAN: WERE YOU COULD ACADEMICALLY? >>GUEST: AND YES, I GOT A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND THEY WANTED ME TO GO TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO, TO GET A DEGREE IN ASTRONOMY AND THEN I WENT TO CALTECH >>HERMAN: AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE THE GUY WITH A BOX OF BIBLES AND HE PUT THEM DOWN. AND WHAT HAPPENED? >>GUEST: I DID, I DID NOT GET TO KNOW ANY CHRISTIANS UNTIL I WAS 27. AND YES, AND I WAS 11, AND THERE WERE SOME BUSINESSMEN, AND THEY PUT SOME BOXES DOWN ON THE DESK, AND THEY WERE THE GIDEON BIBLES, AND WE ALL GOT ONE, AND I NEVER READ IT FOR SIX YEARS, AND THEN I WENT INTO ASTRONOMY, AND THE UNIVERSE HAD A BEGINNING AND THERE WAS A BEGINNER AND I WANTED TO FIND GOD, AND I WANTED TO FIND HIM IN THE HOLY BOOKS. AND I PICKED UP MY GIDEON BIBLE. AND I REALIZED, AND HE HAD TAUGHT ALL OF THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE BIG BANG COSMETOLOGY, AND IT TALKS ABOUT AN EXPANDING UNIVERSE AND ABOUT THE SPACE AND TIME BEGINNING, AND ABOUT ALL OF THE LAWS, AND THEY DON’T CHANGE AND I DOMINATED BY THESE THINGS, AND THE BIBLE TOLD US THAT WE LIVE IN THE BIG BANG UNIVERSE, AND HE GETS OLDER AND OLDER AND COLDER, BUT NO SCIENTIST, THEY DID NOT EVEN THINK OF IT, AND THE UNIVERSE CONTINUES TO EXPAND, BUT YOU HAVE GOT ALL OF THE BIBLE AUTHORS, AND THEY SAY, AND WE ARE LIVING IN AN EXPANDING UNIVERSE >>HERMAN: AND WHAT WAS YOUR CHURCH BACKGROUND? >>GUEST: AND WE WENT TO A CHURCH, FEW TIMES, HOWEVER, AND THERE WERE PROBLEMS IN THE CHURCH, AND WE DID NOT GO BACK, AND WE LEFT. AND WHEN I BECAME CONVINCED THAT THERE WAS A GOD, AND I PUT MY LIFE IN THE GIDEON BIBLE WHEN I WAS 19, AND I WANTED TO BE WITH OTHER CHRISTIANS AND I BEGAN TO GO TO SOME DIFFERENT CHURCHES. BUT NOT KNOWING HOW TO FIND A GOOD CHURCH, AND YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THE PEOPLE DID NOT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, AND I WOULD BE SO FRUSTRATED, AND I WENT TO THE TORONTO STAR-NEWSPAPER, AND I HAD TO FIND A CHURCH THAT WOULD BE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE WORD OF GOD, AND I WENT TO THE CHURCHES, AND ALL OF THEM WERE A IN THE OCCULT >>HERMAN: ARE YOU SERIOUS? >> GUEST: AND YES, I AM. AND THIS WAS NOT UNTIL I GOT TO CALTECH, AND I MET CHRISTIANS, AND IT WAS THE WORLD’S MOST FAMOUS TO ASTRONOMERS, >>HERMAN: AND THE ASTRONOMERS WERE CHRISTIANS? >>GUEST: AND YES, MANY CHRISTIANS AT THE CALTECH RESEARCH GROUP IN ASTRONOMY >>HERMAN: AND YOU GIVE ABOUT 300 UNIVERSITY AND YOU SPEAK AND DEBATE? >>GUEST: AND YES I’VE SPOKEN AT 300 UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES >>HERMAN: AND WHEN YOU ARE ON THE PLATFORM, AND MAYBE YOU HAVE THE ATHEIST ASKING QUESTIONS, AND THE STUDENTS DON’T

BELIEVE THE BIBLE >>GUEST: AND THERE ARE SO MANY FACULTY PEOPLE, AND THEY DO COME TO CHRIST AND TYPICALLY WE ARE TALKING TO THE UNIVERSITY PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE NEVER HEARD A SCIENTIFIC DEFENSE OF CHRISTIANITY THAT HAS ANY CREDIBILITY AND WHEN THEY HEAR IT, AND THEY SAY WHY DIDN’T WE KNOW? AND THEY WILL RESPOND. AND WE SAW THE NOBEL LAUREATE COME TO CHRIST THROUGH THE MESSAGES. AND READING THE BOOKS AND YES >>HERMAN: I WANT TO HAVE MY GRANDSON, AND I WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION >>GUEST: I FIND, IT IS FASCINATING AND COULD YOU EXPLAIN MORE AND WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT GENESIS 1:1, AND WHEN YOU CAME TO THAT TEXT, AS A YOUNG MAN, AND YOU READ THE TEXT, AND YOU READ THAT, AND YOU SAW SOME THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAD NOT SEEN IT BEFORE >>GUEST: I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I WAS 17, AND LOOKING AT GENESIS, AND I THOUGHT, AND THIS JUMPED OFF OF THE PAGES AT ME, AND I HAD BEEN TAUGHT THIS, ALL OF THE YEARS IN CANADIAN SCHOOLING, BUT NOBODY SAID WHAT THIS CAME FROM. AND THEN I SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD AND I DID THE BACKGROUND OF STUDY, AND THIS WAS THE METHOD, AND THIS WAS FROM THE SCRIPTURES AND IT WAS NO ACCIDENT THAT THE REVELATION, IT EXPLODED IN THE REFORMATION AND PEOPLE WERE READING THE BIBLE FOR THEMSELVES, AND THEY SAW THE COMMANDS, AND EVERYTHING MUST BE TESTED, AND PAUL SAYS TEST EVERYTHING, AND HOLD TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THESE THINGS IN THE BIBLE, AND HOW TO PUT EVERYTHING TO THE TEST AND YOU KNOW WE TALK ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD, AND YOU MUST ESTABLISH A POINT OF VIEW, AND WE CAN SEE IN GENESIS, AND IT IS THE UNIVERSE WAS ALONE, BUT IN GENESIS 1:2, IT GOES TO THE SERVICE OF THE WATERS OF THE EARTH, AND THIS IS HOW WE UNDERSTAND THOSE SIX DAYS, AND WHEN I CAME TO THE UNITED STATES, AND MANY PEOPLE THAT GENESIS IS NONSENSE AND THEY THINK THE POINT OF VIEW, IS ABOVE THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE EARTH, AND NOT ON THE WATER, AND YOU GET THE WRONG POINT OF VIEW >> BUT TALK ABOUT WHY, AND WHY IS THIS DIFFERENT, AND WHY WAS THIS ABOVE, WHY WAS THIS LIKE THAT? >>GUEST: AND THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED SOME PROBLEMS IN GENESIS CHAPTER 1, AND THE BIBLE SAYS, LET THERE BE LIGHT, AND GOD CREATES LIGHT, OR DOES GOD CREATE THE BEGINNING, AND DOES THIS APPEAR ON THE WATERS OF THE EARTH, AND RECOGNIZE AND WE HAVE TO SEE THERE IS A POINT OF VIEW, AND THIS IS GOD ABOUT TRANSFORMING AND HE IS MAKING IT FROM OPAQUE TO TRANSLUCENT AND THERE WAS AN ATMOSPHERE, AND GOD MAKES IT TRANSLUCENT AND NOW THE LIGHT MAKE IT THROUGH THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH AND PHOTOSYNTHESIS IS POSSIBLE AND THIS WOULD BE IMPLIED, BUT IT IS EXPLICIT IN JOB 38, AND JOB 37-39 AND YOU GO THROUGH THE CREATION AND WE HAVE THE DAY ONE, AND YOU CAN SEE INTO THE VERSES EIGHT AND WE HAVE THE DAY ONE, AND YOU CAN SEE INTO THE VERSES 8-9, AND GOD BLANKETED THE SEAS, WITH CLOUDS, THAT WOULD KEEP EVERYTHING DARK AND IT TALKS ABOUT WHY IT IS DARK ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER, AND IT IS DARK BECAUSE OF THE CLOUDS. AND THE ATMOSPHERE IS TRANSFORMED, AND THEN ON DAY FOUR, AND IT SAYS LET THERE BE LIGHT, AND THE ATMOSPHERE GOES TO BEING TRANSPARENT AND THE CREATURES OF THE EARTH, AND THEY CAN SEE WHAT IS ABOVE THE CLOUDS AND IT SAYS, LET THERE BE, IN BOTH CASES, AND IT SAYS, LET THE LIGHT BE. AND HAVING THE RIGHT POINT OF VIEW, TRANSFORMS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE TEXT IN A DRAMATIC WAY. GALILEO SAID, THE BIGGEST MISTAKE YOU CAN MAKE ABOUT THE BIBLE WOULD BE TO HAVE THE WRONG POINT OF YOU. AND THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP, AND THEN YOU GO ON THROUGH THE DIFFERENT STEPS, AND THIS WOULD BE FROM THE BOOK OF GENESIS >> JASON: IF YOU HAD NOT HAD YOUR UPBRINGING STUDYING COSMOLOGY, AND WHERE YOU WOULD GET TO GENESIS 1, AND YOU LOOK AT THE

CREATION OF MYTHS, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT CHRISTIANITY, AND THEN YOU SEE GENESIS, AND BECAUSE YOU WERE CONVINCED OF THE BIG BANG COSMOLOGY, AND DID THAT AFFECT THE WAY YOU READ THE TEXT? AND DID THAT CHANGE YOUR UNDERSTANDING? >>GUEST: AND YOU KNOW, I CAN REMEMBER LOOKING AT THE HINDU AND THE BUDDHIST, AND THEY TALK ABOUT GOD CREATING, AND THAT GOD ETERNALLY EXIST, AND YOU CAN GET THESE IN SOME OTHER WRITINGS AS WELL, AND THE UNIVERSE COMES INTO EXISTENCE WITH SPACE AND TIME, AND THE BIBLE GOT IT ALL RIGHT GOD CREATES OUTSIDE OF SPACE AND TIME AND NOT WITHIN SPACE AND TIME AND THAT WAS THE BIG MOMENT FOR ME, AND WHEN I PICKED UP MY BIBLE AND THE OTHER BOOKS, AND THEY HAD THE CONCEPTS WRONG WITH THE BIBLE WAS RIGHT AND I BEGAN TO GO THROUGH, AND WHEN I GOT TO THE BIBLE FOR A SERIOUS READ, I HAD TO GET OUT OF GENESIS 1 AND IT TOOK ME FOUR HOURS TO GO THROUGH THAT, AND EVERYTHING HAD BEEN CORRECTLY STATED IN THE PROPER ORDER, AND THE ONLY WAY I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS AND IF MOSES WAS INSPIRED BY THE ONE WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND CREATED ALL OF THE LIGHT ON THE EARTH, AND I THOUGHT THE BOOK WAS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS IT WAS INSPIRED BY THE ONE WHO DID EVERYTHING >>HERMAN: AND WE HEAR, AND WE HEAR ABOUT THE KORAN, AND THE BOOK OF MORMON, BUT DID YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BELIEVING THAT THE BIBLE WAS INSPIRED AND AN ERRANT? >>GUEST: AND MY APPROACH TO THE HOLY BOOK, AND I WOULD GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, AND I WOULD TRY TO READ IT AND THE BEST PROBABLE LIGHT, BUT I DID WANT TO KNOW IF IT WAS FROM GOD AND THE GOD THAT CREATES THE UNIVERSE, AND HE LOVED HARMONY AND BEAUTY AND TRUTH. AND I WAS LOOKING FOR THE OPPOSITE, AND I TOOK 18 MONTHS, AND I WOULD STUDY THE BIBLE FOR ONE HOUR A DAY FOR 18 MONTHS, AND I WANTED TO FIND AN ERROR >>HERMAN: WHAT DID YOU WANT? >>GUEST: I WOULD LOOK AT THE KORAN MISTAKES, AND IT WOULD TALK ABOUT THE GESTATION FOR THE WOMAN WOULD BE SIX MONTHS, AND WE KNOW IT IS NINE MONTHS, NOT SIX MONTHS, AND THEY WOULD IMPLY, THAT THE STARS ARE CLOSER THAN THEY ARE, THAT IS NOT CORRECT AND LIKEWISE, AND WE WOULD PICK OF THE MORMON BOOK, AND WE KNEW THAT WAS FALSE, BUT I COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING IN THE BIBLE OF I COULD PROVE TO BE FALSE, AND TO BE HONEST, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND A LOT OF IT, BUT I CANNOT FIND ANY ERRORS >>HERMAN: AND YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION, AND DID YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES? >>GUEST: I DID NOT, AND THE ATHEIST HAVE A BOOK CALLED 139 CONTRADICTIONS OF THE BIBLE, AND THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING, AND MAYBE ONE PERSON SAYS, THE JEWS WERE IN THE WILDERNESS FOR 440 YEARS, AND MAYBE IT MIGHT BE ROUNDED OFF IN ANOTHER PLACE, AND THE REAL NUMBER MIGHT BE 438 AND I DON’T SEE THAT IS A CONTRADICTION NOW, BUT WHAT IMPRESSED ME, AND IN THE BIBLE, AND THERE WAS NO CONTRADICTION, AND THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF PLACES WHERE THE BIBLE COULD PREDICT FUTURE DISCOVERIES. AND I WAS CALCULATING, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE POSSIBILITY BE THAT THEY COULD REALLY PREDICT ANY OF THESE THINGS, WITHOUT BEING DIVINELY INSPIRED AND IT WAS A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE, THE NUMBERS WERE ASTRONOMICAL AND THE BIBLE IS MORE RELIABLE THAN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS AND THE THIRD LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS CAN POSSIBLY FAIL, AND WE HAVE THESE LAWS THAT CAN POSSIBLY FAIL, AND I SHOULD TRUST AND I SHOULD HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE IN A MESSAGE OF THE BOOK AND THIS IS WHEN I PUT MY NAME IN THE BACK OF THE BIBLE AND I GAVE MY LIFE TO CHRIST >>HERMAN: HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT SAY LOOK, JESUS, HE DIED UPON A CROSS, AND HE WENT TO THE GRAVE, AND THEN HE RISES AGAIN, SO THAT WE WOULD

BELIEVE AND TRUST HIM BY FAITH, AND BE RECEIVED, SOMEDAY AS HIS CHILDREN AND RAPTURE, OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY, AND DEATH FOR RAPTURE AND WHATEVER, AND THAT WOULD BE THE WORD OF GOD, AND WHY DO WE NEED ALL OF THIS SCIENTIFIC OLD EARTH, AND THE YOUNG EARTH PHILOSOPHIES, AND EVERYTHING YOU TALK ABOUT AND WHY IS THAT NECESSARY? >>GUEST: AND WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE BIBLE, YOU FIND CHAPTERS ON THE SUBJECT OF CREATION EACH ONE OF THEM LINKS CREATION WITH REDEMPTION AND THAT SHOULD TELL US, AND CREATION IS IMPORTANT AND I HAVE THE PASSAGES OF THE BIBLE THAT WILL SAY, REDEMPTION CAME BEFORE CREATION, AND WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT PASSAGES AND THE NEW TESTAMENT, AND THIS WAS PUT INTO EFFECT BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME AND BEFORE GOD CREATED ANYTHING, HE WAS ALREADY PUTTING INTO EFFECT THE WORK OF REDEMPTION, SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND THE CREATION AND THE BIBLE, THE WAY THE BIBLE WANTS US TO UNDERSTAND IT. BUT WE HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHY GOD CREATED EVERYTHING. AND THE BIBLE, AND WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THESE TEXT, AND GOD GAVE US TWO BOOKS, AND THE BOOK OF NATURE AND SCRIPTURE, AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE THE BELIEVERS, AND WE HAVE GOT TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE BOOK OF THE SCRIPTURES, AND TO TAKE YOUR EXAMPLE. I WOULD AGREE, THAT THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS FROM THE DEAD IS A VERY COMPELLING TOOL, AND ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL ARGUMENTS YOU COULD GIVE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, AND MOST NON-CHRISTIAN THEY DON’T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT SOMETHING TO THOUSAND YEARS AGO, AND WE BELIEVE, IT IS EASIER TO ENGAGE PEOPLE ON SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCOVERED 48 HOURS AGO, AND YOU SAY DO YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE AND THAT WOULD MAKE A STRONG CASE FOR THE GOD OF THE BIBLE AND WE CAN USE THE NEW EVIDENCE TO THE TRADITIONAL EVIDENCE AND WE HAVE THE REASONS TO BELIEVE, BUT WE MUST PROCLAIM THE NEW REASONS TO BELIEVE, AS A TOOL TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE OLD REASONS TO BELIEVE. AND WE BRING THEM TO CHRIST >>HERMAN: AND YOU HAVE THE BELIEVERS, AND THEY WILL CHALLENGE YOU. AND I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THEM ON SOME OF THE DVDS, AND HOW DO YOU INTERPRET AND HOW WOULD YOU SEE THEIR APPROACH? AND THAT WOULD BE SO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN YOURS >>GUEST: AND THIS IS A MODEL APPROACH, AND WE SAY, THIS IS OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE AND THIS IS OUR INTERPRETATION OF NATURE, AND WE CONTRAST OUR INTERPRETATION WITH OTHER MODELS, AND MAYBE THE ATHEIST, THE DEIST, AND THE YOUNG EARTH MODEL AND ALL OF THOSE MODELS, AND WE SAY, IF WE HAVE MORE EXPLANATION THAN WE SAY, AND WE WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. AND WHAT WE DO, AND WE MAKE PREDICTIONS, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOOKS, AND WE MAKE PREDICTIONS, OF WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT DISCOVER AND THE FUTURE AND THE POINT IS, AND THESE THINGS COME TRUE, AND THEN WE SEE THE ATHEIST, AND THEY SHOULD TAKE THESE THINGS SERIOUSLY BUT IF THE MODEL FAILS, AND MAYBE WE WOULD BE WRONG. AND WE TAKE SOME RISK. AND WE SAY, AND YOU CAN APPROVE THAT THE UNIVERSE DID NOT HAVE A BEGINNING THAT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC TO OUR FAITH AND IF YOU COULD APPROVE THAT HUMAN BEINGS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ANIMALS AND THAT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC, BUT MY FRIEND, AND IF YOU ARE NOT A BELIEVER, AND WHAT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC TO YOUR WORLDVIEW? AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS POSITIVELY, AND WE MAKE THE DISCOVERIES, AND ALL OF THE SPECIES AND DESCENDED FROM ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, AND AT ONE PLACE AND TIME AND THAT WOULD BE A CHECK MARK FOR THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. BUT IF WE SAY THE HUMANS ARE NOT SPIRITUAL, AND THAT WOULD BE A MARK FOR THE ATHEIST, AND THIS IS HOW WE ENGAGE THEM, AND WE SAY YOU GIVE YOUR MODEL AND WE WILL GIVE YOU HOURS AND WE COULD PUT THEM TO THE TEST, AND

THE BIBLE SAYS TEST EVERYTHING. WE DON’T JUST TEST, BUT WE HOLD FAST TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD. AND SO MANY PEOPLE ARE CYNICS, AND ABLE TO BELIEVE ON A MODEL BUT THEY WON’T ACT ON IT >>HERMAN: AND WE HAVE GOT THREE MINUTES. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>GUEST: I HAVE MANY, I AM SURE. CERTAINLY, AT THIS POINT, AND WHERE YOU ARE, AND IN YOUR STUDY OF THE MODEL, AND DEVELOPING YOUR MODEL, HAS THERE EVER BEEN A TIME, AND YOU THINK ANOTHER MODEL MIGHT BE HAD ANY INTERACTION THAT WOULD BE BETTER, BUT DO YOU FEEL THAT YOUR MODEL RETAINS THE BEST POSITION ALL OF THE TIME? >>GUEST: AND WE HAVE THE REASON TO BELIEVE, AND WE HAVE A FAMILY TO MODELS, AND THESE WOULD BE THE PEOPLE ON OUR STAFF, AND THEY MIGHT TAKE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT POSITION, AND WE HAVE THE MORE SPECIFIC MODELS, BUT WE DON’T HAVE ALL OF THE PICTURE YET. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 28 YEARS. BUT WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT ANOMALIES, AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE EVEN SMALLER AND LESS SIGNIFICANT THAN BEFORE, BUT IF WE DO THINGS RIGHT, AS WE RESOLVE A MODEL, AND WE RESOLVED AN ANOMALY, AND THAT WOULD REVEAL SOME MORE THINGS >>HERMAN: WHAT IS AN ANOMALY? >>GUEST: IT MIGHT NOT FIT A MODEL, AND THERE WOULD BE A DISCREPANCY AND SOMETHING DOES NOT WORK >>HERMAN: AND YOU WANT TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD DISPROVE THAT? >>GUEST: YES, AND WE SAY, AND MAYBE WE HAD THE MEASUREMENTS WRONG, AND MAYBE THE ASSUMPTION IS WRONG, AND WE CAN REMOVE THESE THINGS, AND IF THE ANOMALY GETS BIGGER, YOU SHOULD GET IT FIXED. AND WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FROM TIME TO TIME AND WE HAD A MODEL FOR THE MOON, AND WE HAD TO ADJUST IT, BUT WE ARE EVEN MORE STRONGER AND COMPREHENSIVE IN OUR NEWER MODEL >>HERMAN: AND WE HAVE GOT ANOTHER PART COMING UP, PART TWO, AND ALL OF THE BOOKS TO BE AND THEY CAN BE RECEIVED IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, AND EVERYTHING THAT DOCTOR ROSS HAS DONE, AND THIS IS THE BOOK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU CAN ORDER IT IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, AND ALL OF THE DVDS, THIS ONE HERE, AND YOU MUST GET THIS. AND GO TO THE WEBSITE, AND THIS WILL ABSOLUTELY AMAZE YOU I WANT TO SHOW YOU A VIDEO CLIP OF PART TWO, AND WERE GOING TO BE GOING INTO WHAT DOES THE UNIVERSE TELL US ABOUT DARKNESS? AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DOCTOR ROSS SAYS, AND WOULD THIS BE THE OLD EARTH OR THE YOUNG EARTH? AND WE WOULD GET INTO THAT AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS, THAT I AM JUST SURE THAT YOU HAVE NOT HEARD ON CHRISTIAN TELEVISION AND WE WILL BE BACK WITH PART TWO >> THANK YOU FOR WATCHING IT IS TIME, IF YOU HAVE RECENTLY MADE A DECISION FOR CHRIST HERMAN AND SHARRON WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU >> CAPTIONED BY THE STAFF AT CTN >> ♪ >> ♪