Sierra Club Angeles Chapter (October 14, 2020)

Get these folks some extra credit Exactly, I remember those days right this is hopefully this will be a fun one right Yeah yeah definitely. Hey, everyone. um Welcome my name is Morgan. I’m the Senior Director of the Angeles Chapter of the Sierra Club and I’m here with uh Kawana Key who is uh one of our volunteers with the Sierra Club um and I’m going to just say hi you know a few words about yourself and then I think we’re going to have more of an a conversation style rather than a presentation style today. I think that’ll be more useful so um but just just to kick things off Kawana tell us a little more about who you are and and what you do. Okay sure so my name is Kawana Key and I’ve been a volunteer with the Angeles Chapter Central Group of the Sierra Club for about two years now I initially um was introduced to the Central Group at an outreach event in Watts, California and it was there I became aware of the issue with the Inglewood oil fields which is um in my community by Kenneth Hahn park. So I had grown up living in the Baldwin Hills area and heard a lot about the oil fields but I am embarrassed to say I didn’t know it was harmful So I’m very concerned about environmental issues I’m a mom and I wanted to do something to get involved so um that’s kind of my introduction to the Sierra Club. Yeah and and your day job is also you know at least somewhat related here I think that’s worth maybe just bringing into the space so um my my day job, I do a lot of outreach and education regarding electric vehicle adoption. So it’s really connected because as a woman of color as a mom I think that we need to definitely advance equitable clean fuel choices I know that a lot of the underserved low wealth communities that myself or my family live in um don’t always have the same information So I think that when people are aware of number one the harmful impact of fossil fuel vehicles but also the cost saving opportunities available that people will make different choices so um that’s you know something that I’m really passionate about as well. It’s super important and so I’ll say a little bit more about myself and if you’re just joining us you know welcome. This is uh um Morgan and Kawana talking about the Sierra Club and how the Sierra Club engages with climate change and environmental justice and political you know change both in the Angeles region and we’ll talk a little bit about how we operate as a national organization as well as a very local one So so I am the Senior Director of the Angeles Chapter. So I am the staff person who oversees all of our local operations. We have tons of volunteer leaders who frankly do you know the majority of the work because it’s a really huge operation and we have a tiny staff that supports a lot of our leaders and we can kind of geek out on the structure if we decide to go that way, but for now um you can just imagine you know all these Sierra Club chapters spread out across the country and the Angeles Chapter is Los Angeles and Orange Counties um A little bit about my background I um became a climate activist in college. I was you know 20 21 years old it was like 2006 2007 and Al Gore’s inconvenient truth had come out, Hurricane Katrina had just destroyed New Orleans, and the this sort of sense of what the hell is going on in our world was so strong and I remember experiencing a lot of anger when I realized that there were no you know quote-unquote adults who were taking this seriously or there weren’t nearly enough and and those in positions of power didn’t seem to get it it was it was a lip service thing at best and this is during the Bush presidency and and um and out of that anger I really I was like I I need to work on this like this is the this is the thing that is going on in the world this is the big story um you know will will we as humans be able to survive? Will my grandkids or their grandkids have a livable planet? You know we would be able to grow food? Will there be diseases that are

wiping out everything. Like these are such kind of science fiction you know long range forecasts, but then all of a sudden Hurricane Katrina like all of a sudden one of our cities is underwater and so that gap between sort of science fiction worst fears and um and reality started to close and and since then we’ve seen that over and over and over again and while you can’t pin any individual client you know weather event or forest fire or pandemic to climate change um we know that these things are all more likely and all all worse with climate and I was very lucky in that when I joined When I started doing a lot of student activism I started a climate action group on my campus and started getting people together and saying let’s we need we need to do stuff we need to call attention we need to like make uh make the adults understand. I got quickly connected with the Sierra Student Coalition which is the student arm of the Sierra Club and they do organizing trainings and so I went to a week-long training with the Sierra Student Coalition. I was I think I was 21 years old and I was getting lessons from kids some of whom were still in high school but they were standing up there with a flip chart and talking about how to write a campaign plan and how to power map your target and figure out how to influence your university president to reduce your campus emissions and I was um I was the uh it was it was so useful it was so useful to see a skill and like a method to make that change that it kind of hooked me and so I’ve been doing that work in some form or another ever since and one of the huge pieces of this that I was so lucky to come in and learn was that For me the the climate activism work and the justice components have been intertwined since the beginning because and it’s a relatively new thing for the environmental movement to see it that way, but in 2007 it was starting to become a sort of a normal thing to say that oh the pollution that causes climate change is primarily emitted in communities of color. It’s primarily spewing you know toxic chemicals into the air in poor communities that live downwind of coal plants, that live downwind of oil drilling and wells, and not only that but the solutions to the climate crisis are um I think most effective when we’re talking about creating jobs and creating opportunities for people who have been most impacted. That’s how we create the political will, that’s how we we restore some semblance of justice and and trust in our common shared humanity and our shared fate as we face this crisis and and so I want to you know I want to turn it back to Kawana a little bit to sort of reflect on how some of those um how the justice aspects relate to climate change a little more um and then we’ll kind of switch into how our uh how the Sierra Club takes that and then turns it into action and turns that into making things really change in the world so Kawana tell me about tell me a little bit more about how you how you’ve kind of come to understand how justice and climate are just so intertwined? So um thank you for bringing that important point up um environmental justice, equity obviously has been a life a life’s passion of mine um out of necessity. I know that um initially I lived in Hawthorne which is and I actually live right by the 405 freeway and the 105 freeway and I read this at first it started with the article in the LA Times, but it referenced a study conducted by UCLA which spoke about the neurological impacts of living near freeways. I think it was like within a half a mile and I live like a stone’s throw away from the freeways and my son happens to have a neurological impairment so because I work full-time and I have I earn a fair wage, I was able to take my family and relocate to a different part of town and this time because I had that information and that knowledge base, I made sure that I didn’t stay within that specific um distance of any freeways and that was important to me but I think about all of my family

some who have subsidized housing or um don’t work and they don’t have that option and I know that when I’m I’m driving around it’s not a coincidence that right next to the freeways right next to the oil fields are communities of color. Our cities were actually designed like this and it’s it was very important to me so because I’m a mom I you know I don’t have a lot of time outside of work and outside of my family but I wanted to do something that was meaningful and so to me just having information and being able to share it within my community and help people see that you know what we do not have to choose between um the other important things that we’re dealing with and living in a healthy environment so when I actually became involved with the Sierra Club, I said hey you know what I don’t have a lot of time, tell me what you’re offering and what I can do to support my community and my family because it has not always been at the front and center of the environmental movement and that was something that I didn’t understand because when you talk about I mean just getting it breaking it down to basics when you think about the whole reduce reuse recycle, I remember that campaign communities of color have been doing that out of necessity since inception Yet, if you go to these stores that seem to promote healthy living and healthy eating you can’t afford it. They kind of like price exclude people if you want to go to Whole Foods, there aren’t Trader Joe’s in the hood and so I’m like why is it that there’s not this obvious connection and it hasn’t been cultivated so that is something that’s very important to me I think is really just getting the information out there and letting us find common ground and building off of um the shared experiences and shared commitments and the one last thing I want to say is I do think the economic impact is very important because as environmentalists, you can’t overlook the quality of life challenges that people are experiencing and think they’re going to focus on something that may or may not happen 50 or 100 years down the line when hey I need to pay my light bill today. I need to put food on the table tonight So um those are some of the issues that I um care about and that I try to bring up you know in our Sierra Club meetings in the central group. i think the the transition here to the Sierra Club, I’ll bring in uh the sort of helpful concept that’s that’s always kind of guided my activism which is the difference between advocating for you know individuals to make personal sustainability choices versus advocating for policies that create structural change and that distinction is a really helpful one to make and I’m not making it because um I think that you know advocating for personal choices is um is is wrong or not worthwhile, but what’s always guided by work and what I believe strongly and I would offer to you all as a as a useful theory is to um as we imagine how do we how do we how do we win on climate change right? How do we reduce our emissions down to zero? How do we achieve carbon neutrality right? Personal choices are going to be a supporting factor, right. Personal choices are going to be one of the steps that we use to have people feel some engagement and feel like they’re part of something which is important to help them get their attention focused on how we make policy and structural change and the tension between those things is one of the tensions that sometimes makes it hard for us as an environmental movement to work really effectively because you have some people who want to focus entirely on you know, everyone should bring reusable cups and plastics, you know everyone should choose to buy an electric car, everyone should choose to recycle and again, not saying those things are wrong But what we miss there one is the systematic nature right. We need these things to be system-wide and not just consumer choices, but we also miss the justice aspect You know like Kawana was saying um if it was just a matter of telling people hey you should use reusable stuff um we would have done that already right. We’re not if but if we’re not addressing the underlying issues of the injustices that people face then um we have to acknowledge that um simply advocating and sort

of educating people about single-use plastics for example is not sufficient to get us there right. It needs to be part of a larger strategy and in that larger strategy is why why I believe in the Sierra Club and why I believe that being involved in a large kind of national organization has the power to help bring those changes forward and bring those changes into the political realm and turn them into laws and turn them into hard concrete change um and I’m curious Kawana what you’ve seen really work well in terms of sort of advocating for policy change in in the work that you’ve been able to do So um I definitely think community support and buy-in is important. I think when we mobilize um communities that gets the attention of our elected officials, but also I’ll take the example of the Inglewood Oil Fields. I think that it’s not enough to have the Sierra Club with people who don’t live in the community coming and speaking about the importance of um banning you know the oil fields are actually having a setback, a buffer zone, right for human health. You have to have people who actually live in the neighborhoods and who are impacted because that’s what the other side does right. One of the main arguments with the Inglewood Oil Inglewood Oil Fields is that oh these create good paying jobs for me and this is just my own general knowledge and based on personal experience, but I’ve been in the Baldwin Hills area for I don’t know almost 40 years right so like 35 years I’ve not known anyone whose family worked at those Inglewood Oil Fields and none of my friends I’ve asked all of them have never known anyone who’s worked there So they’re really there are jobs I’m sure, but they’re not people from the community who are living there and who are suffering the detrimental effects of the proximity to these oil fields day in and day out. Then there’s a different standard for workers because they’re there for a certain amount of time and they have their protective personal protective equipment on and so their exposure definitely isn’t as prolonged and intense as the people who who live there and who play there so um I think that’s important to have people you know really holding their elected officials to task and saying hey you know I’ve read about the um impacts it could have on your heart, your cardiovascular health or the neurological impacts, and my dad has heart disease. You know and I want to live in a safe community because really a lot of times in my opinion um elected officials if they work in certain areas they don’t necessarily feel like they have to focus on the environmental impacts and I think it is time for us to call them to task. Yes we want good jobs, but we also want clean air So there’s and there’s two huge points I want to pull out here and underline for folks um So one is one is the nature of of holding elected officials accountable and it’s so important it’s so important. One, that we vote That’s a that’s a foundational piece that we we do a lot of work to educate people but one of the powers that the Sierra Club has is that we endorse candidates for election and we have a volunteer driven political committee that interviews candidates, sends questionnaires, and decides which which areas might be strategic for us to endorse candidates in and then we we have a process to to verify that um those endorsements run through volunteer committees to make sure that there’s accountability and transparency so that if Sierra Club members think that the endorsements are way off then they they could change the process and they could correct it and that’s what keeps us accountable to to our communities and to our people but that when we endorse candidates then we go out and work and we work to get them elected and we work to fund their campaigns we work to turn out people and work to educate our members about why these people are environmental champions and so in the long run that gets us elected officials who are more likely to care about the environment and be responsive to our concerns and who we have relationships with who we can work with to help to pass policies and

so political. We are political. That is absolutely a necessary part of this work. It’s hugely hugely important and the second principle I wanted to bring out what Kawana said is there’s a document a set of principles called the Jemez Principles and the Jemez Principles for for environmental organizing or democratic organizing are a series of principles that were agreed upon by the you know predominantly white environmental movement and communities working on environmental justice in communities of color that have been fighting local pollution for decades and that set of principles is one of the things that’s helped to bridge that gap because there has absolutely been a gap and the core of those principles is that the people most affected by the impacts of pollution are the people who should be speaking about the issue, whose voices should be centered in the fight, whose solutions to what we should do about these problems should be lifted up and focused on and so as we do work as the Sierra Club we are in a constant evolution to bring ourselves more in line with those semester principles and we believe that doing so is is one of the the most important keys to our success and and so I love hearing about the work that the um that has been done in the Inglewood Oil Field because I think it’s a really perfect well it illustrates the example really well of why that’s so necessary um but there’s also plenty of uh examples there and elsewhere of the history that has not always honored those principles and and quite frankly has led to mess-ups and um and moments that I’m not proud of on behalf of the Sierra Club um so as we work towards those goals um those immense principles help help to guide us. The So I want to open it up to uh questions here and I want to kind of bring in folks into the conversation because as you can tell we are we are having a conversation about how we work and and what um you know how we are more effective at bringing um an end to the the fossil fuel um economy that we live in Yeah, Ben you want to jump in? What is this your club’s opinion on nuclear energy? uh good question um I would say uh nuanced but generally against it and pretty darn skeptical The thing about nuclear energy is in the U.S. It is the safest form of energy for the workers something like 10 to 10 times safer than geothermal energy even Then you know if it’s done everything’s done right, so no Chernobyl, no Fukushima, if if the plant is placed well, it’s also one of the more environmentally friendly forms of energy uh also your cat is uh very majestic there Kawana do you want to respond to this? I’m curious to hear your thoughts Yeah I mean do we plan for the best right or do we also look at um equity and potential impacts? um because of course there was Chernobyl, right. There have been spills and I think for me looking at it through an equity lens typically which communities are going to be in that position to be in the line of fire. You know that’s one consideration Nuclear energy probably not going to be the poorest communities because you need a massive source of coolant and that usually means ocean water. Okay well I think there was a plant um not too far outside of Los Angeles and I thought there were some issues that they decommissioned is that accurate I don’t have a lot of information on this but um again in general so in general my thoughts are um in clean clean energy, environmentally responsible energy, that even when we’re talking about um worst case scenarios um people are safe and we’re not impacting. Right. One of the big problems this is why I’m I’m so interested in nuclear energy one of the big problems with alternative forms of energy is that energy storage takes a lot of resources in

that every alternative form of energy geothermal, solar, whatever takes some very large degree of rare earth minerals as well as huge amounts of just iron and concrete and all that. So what is your take on that? On the environmental impacts of clean energy that are you know. Well let me Yeah I was gonna I was gonna zoom this out a little bit to the process of how the Sierra Club works because um you know I i don’t have the capacity to to kind of do the analysis myself you know that’s one of the benefits of being part of an organization that that has those those resources and the you know it is also an important thing to remember about the Sierra Club is that because it is so democratic because it is so kind of grassroots, a lot of our policy is shaped by the people who are closest to the issues and so just to speak about nuclear for example um you know the historically whiter and more affluent Sierra Club going back into the 60s and 70s and 80s, did live in a lot of coastal places near where nuclear plants could get built and a lot of those people really drove policy against nuclear, helping to shut down some of those plants. Again, not unequivocally not sort of were trying to 100 ban it, but you know asked whether someone would rather have a nuclear plant in their backyard or renewable energy, they’re going to choose renewable energy and that’s helped shape this process and again you know what we’re doing here is balancing um science and democracy and uh and and so does that mean that it’s going to so so I don’t I’m sort of I’m intentionally not answering your question around those impacts but rather sharing why I think it’s important that that it is nuanced and that we do have um and that we do have the ability to to kind of work through these things on a more case-by-case basis sometimes um now obviously that’s that’s how the Sierra Club works and then you know we’re part of a larger ecosystem of groups that have you know all kinds of different strategies and approaches but um but i i like to see us and in an ideal world the Sierra Club is the group that’s having those hard conversations around where do you site renewable energy? You know what ecosystem do you cover in solar panels and what ecosystem do you leave exposed? How do you balance those things so that we can meet our our kind of overall goals um you know and at our worst right, we we get these little pockets where people are just zeroed in on one issue and it’s like you know whatever you do don’t um you know don’t uh don’t put housing in that parcel of unused land that’s surrounded by um you know community and it’s like that might not be the greatest overall environmental good um for for our civilization so attempting to have those conversations um is what we try and do well so Kawana, do you want to add anything to that um I I appreciate you know the question and that perspective I I just want to circle back to renewables you know a lot of renewables are still somewhat emerging technology and as they continue to develop I think there is a goal to use less natural resources we hear about um some companies looking to take out the cobalt from electric battery production right. Electric vehicle battery production so I I think that um within a span of five years, we’re going to see even more um efficiency and sustainability embedded in our renewable energy. I hope you’re right on that Who who else wants to jump in? I’m curious. All set up now. Thanks Make sure we get everyone else in. Yeah hey Morgan this is Aris um just gonna uh throw in a couple of thoughts on on that conversation too so um generally speaking especially with the wildfire situations and and um resiliency issues related to those um this the state of California LA as a region is is really doing a lot of work to move toward more distributed energy generation

rather than a centralized or you know focused power plant generation so that’s why you see a lot more distributed energy resources within urbanized areas, developed areas, and that’s really made possible with renewable sources like Solar PV um so a you know a nuclear focus strategy or power or any sort of power plant focused strategy is is really antithetical to the resiliency needs of the state. Especially with the wildfire concerns uh or or even like super hot super hot days that we had recently um where whereas a distributed um energy infrastructure would be much more flexible to um mitigate those issues or you know meet those challenges. So just from a regional and statewide perspective um and you know there’s there’s already mandates and legislation on the books uh requiring uh California to go to you know to do um zero carbon um electricity generation by by 2045. 100% zero carbon um which you know which generally with today’s technology generally means renewables and solar PV um and there are uh poor environmental uh um consequences of nuclear plants as well um with uh The young gentleman did mention that they need to be usually located on uh on a coast or uh near the ocean uh and there have been documented um negative effects on marine biology uh when they use the what’s called the once-through cooling um uh method for um cooling down um uh those those uh those assets and that’s actually one of the big factors that led to the shutdown of the decommissioning of the San Onofre generating plant down. Which is kind of between about two-thirds of the way from LA to San Diego You can you can pass it if you’re driving and you can see it from the road. So just just a couple additional comments on um electricity generation and you know nuclear versus renewable for for future purposes. Yeah absolutely um Marla asks about Exide in the chat and uh you know this has been a big topic just even the last few weeks uh LA Times. I’ll go ahead and unmute myself Yeah, please. Do you want to say more about what you know about it and what you’re wondering? Well here’s what I know and it’s admittedly it’s not much, but it really goes to Kawana’s point and that’s Exide was located in a very poor community and they polluted made toxic the ground and the air and everything around it and then they they were forced to close down and they pulled out and they left it. They left everything. They left all the toxicity in the ground, they left everything in the air, and they just closed the plant and said bye and they left and um nobody is stepping up. Nobody is stepping up to clean up the mess that Exide left in its wake, not the city, not the state not the EPA, nobody. What’s going to happen to these people who still live there and they have no place to go? What happens to these people? They can’t move, they can’t leave. They haven’t got the money, they haven’t got the resources, they’ve got nothing Where do they go? What do they do? Who’s going to protect them? I’ve spoken my piece. I thank you. I appreciate that. Just holding space for that because it’s uh it’s there’s so much pain and suffering that is you know over generations of this toxic economy that we’ve constructed um and and the poorest and uh in the black and brown communities have borne you know far and away the worst of it um yeah Kawana I mean I I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. I can share a little bit of more context here but um it is in some ways it’s one of many in other ways is sort of this emblematic um big big story I I think so um I don’t have a lot of um familiarity with the issue but in general what I think is um a lot of people tend to associate oil spills or environmental hazards within communities of something that happened in the 70s right. you hear about with the gas and the oil. For me, the fact that this is still happening today and that we have um

kind of elected officials or you know the feds whatever you want to call it, who would kind of support a plan to allow communities to be left harmed or with the state needing to come in and step in and fix it. I I don’t understand that and in general, I think that this is just another example of how our under-resourced communities that don’t have the strongest voice they don’t have the means to advocate to number one have never allowed you know this facility to be there in the first place and now when it’s um you know things didn’t go well they’re left to still um feel the impacts again You know and I just think that when you have the resources when you have the connections, it does it it leads to better outcomes um People want their kids to be safe I think, you know in general that’s what this is all about everybody wants to raise their kids in a safe neighborhood and how do we empower um people who live there to do that and support them as well Our uh there was a hearing last night um that the I believe it was it was a federal hearing on the bankruptcy proposal which is terrible right. The bankruptcy proposal is the proposal that is that would basically abandon the site and not do any cleanup and there’s a hearing last night to on that proposal and I know the hearing went on from 4pm until 9pm and the Sierra Club’s environmental justice committee organized a bunch of people to be on the call making comments and the vast majority of comments were from local residents who were directly impacted by the plant. Now, is that ultimately going to help solve it? uh we know that the the government is capable of holding hearings and then not uh following through, but that’s one of the ways that the Sierra Club has engaged in that specifically You know in general uh it comes back to policy It comes back to the policies that allow companies to create environmental destruction and then not pay for them and not be on the hook for them and when we look at sort of these big wins these big things that we are fighting for you know yes carbon neutrality getting our carbon emissions down to zero is so important but creating um equitable laws that ensure that any company that’s doing something that’s potentially polluting um has the ability to clean it up is one that you know we want to stand behind um I want to um So, anyway I have a story that I want to close with but I’ll we’ll take some more more questions here. So we’re we’re running a little bit over so I think we have time for um one more question and also just as a last minute thing again if you’re a student and you have not um yet written your first name in the chat with your professor’s name please be sure to do that um before the end but yes if if someone would like to and ask the last question and then Morgan if you want to close out with what I’m sure is a riveting story, that would be awesome And if we don’t have questions um I’m I have one question and that’s basically uh what do you think is you know a meaningful way for students to get either involved in the Sierra Club’s work specifically or in like climate action and and justice work right now? um especially maybe from home yes in the context of the pandemic Absolutely uh well let me so the story I was going to share has to do with um with cleaning up pollution and it’s a victory that we had just a few weeks ago and based on some of the relationships that long time Sierra Club volunteer leaders have with some of our elected officials We were able to propose a motion to the LA County Board of Supervisors that we were calling the just transition motion. And L.A County Board of Supervisors a few weeks ago, unanimous unanimously voted to create a task force with the Sierra Club and the United Steelworkers, and the Building Trades Alliance. So these are two labor groups, two big labor groups in the

Sierra Club, to create a program that would create jobs cleaning up abandoned oil wells So there are several thousand abandoned oil wells in LA County, most of them very near homes, and schools, and in communities and you know an abandoned oil well is still leaking gases. We know this that that living near an abandoned oil well even if there’s no activity still poses a risk And a lot of these companies have gone bankrupt A lot of these wells are orphaned or otherwise have no owner and so the L.A. County Board of Supervisors saw an opportunity to create a program creating jobs creating jobs that are highly skilled and require people who are who are competent and are going to be earning very good wages to clean up those wells and there’s years and years of work to do because there is so much damage and the the motion was passed unanimously because of those relationships and because of that ability to to kind of organize and mobilize and focus the attention and say this is this is the right strategy we can do right now So that’s I hold it up as a win because it’s it’s an example of um not only working in partnership with labor unions, it’s so important not only creating jobs that are solving these problems, but also going back to politics and the fact that we endorse candidates and we get involved in races it helps give us these opportunities and all of this you know a lot of it was driven by volunteers. A lot of it was driven by people who are um committing their free time like Kawana like um you know the vast majority of people I work with uh to to chipping in a little bit and saying I don’t have all the answers but if I join the Sierra Club committee or the Sierra Club group or this effort, then I know that I can I can plug in and I can learn things and I can grow and I can meet amazing people and um you know there’s there’s a famous quote by um Margaret Mead uh who says “Never doubt that a small group of motivated people looking as a team can change the world uh In fact it’s the only thing that ever has” and and so that’s that’s my pitch and uh I’d love to hear your kind of addendums or thoughts to that Kawana while I dig up a few links that I’m going to post in the chat for how folks can get involved but uh but add to that add to my first draft version of why folks should uh should find a Sierra Club committee to join Yeah, definitely um I haven’t been with the Sierra Club too long and but during that time it’s been meaningful right. Not only for me personally, but also for my kids right. We I think we all have our personal reasons why we want to be involved in something that we’re passionate about. Something that’s important and for me with everything going on in the world I know this is um my my small part. So um one story that I share which I think is a win is you know I I drive an EV um I drive a Chevy Volt and a lot of places that I go, you don’t see a lot of electric vehicles and so people see me driving with the kids or whatever and they’re asking me about my cars, but these aren’t not your typical EV drivers. A lot of times I get approached by people who look like me because I’m you know I frequent you know the hood, communities of color, whatever you want to call it and recently I was at my aunt’s house in Inglewood and I’m driving my EV and um I parked and then somebody knocks on the door and he was like “Hey, what kind of car is that?” and so we were talking all about and I get really passionate about it because I think everybody should drive an electric vehicle, but anyway um so we’re talking all about it. We’re talking about all of the benefits, all of the um rebates, and tax incentives that are available um to help bring the cost down and so then a couple of weeks ago, I saw him and he I mean he went all out. He pulls up, he has a Tesla now Which that’s cool I was so excited though because I was like you know it’s not that often that you’re going to be in Inglewood and see you know two neighbors driving EVs, but that is actually what the model is is that you create these

clusters why because people have information, they have access to information and when you when you know more you’re able to do more and so that’s just kind of our small part and now him and my aunt who’s 83 are talking about solar. I mean it’s just these organic conversations that start coming out are really to me very powerful and as we um just learn more we’re able to do that and support you know each other and our earth in different ways. So you can join now at home um we have our meetings online actually, so you don’t have to worry about leaving your house. So I think you know that’s something that’s um really um really good and we would love to have you Awesome, thank you so much for sharing, Kawana um I don’t know if you and Morgan have any closing remarks um also we usually invite people to hang on after I stop the recording to see if there are any like you know questions that they want to ask unrecorded. I do know this is your lunch if you’re not able to hang on that’s also fine um but just putting that out there but yeah um is there anything else you guys would like to say or are we ready to close um this presentation today? Yeah yeah I was just gonna say thanks everyone for being here. I really appreciate the chance to uh to chat and hope it was hope it was helpful. Yeah thanks everyone for joining us today and thank you for all of the audience participation. It was um really stellar today So thank you for being here um I’m gonna go ahead and stop the recording