[PL/EN] Renault Laguna II phase I – Zestaw wskaźników – informacje

Watching recent comments under my videos, especially below the video on “how to repair the battery charging error” in the instrument cluster More and more often I notice a different types of queries: How to reset service inspection (oil inspection) interval? Why I don’t have the “Renault” logo on the central display (“screen saver”)? I would like to have it. How to do it? Can I use instrument panel from the after-lifting model to before-lifting? And if I can, how to do it? What are the differences between the different versions? What and how to connect? E.t.c That’s why this movie is here We will talk about all three types of instrument cluster used during production of pre-lifted Laguna 2 starting with the “poorest” version of this through the version named by Renault as a “version for higher level equipment” ending at the version from after-facelift, which was also factory used in pre-lift versions at the end of it’s production I will try to dispel as many myths as possible, answer as many questions as possible and your doubts We will start with the simplest version of gauges This version is called by Renault as “Lower level of equipment version” There are several visual variations of these gauges These plastic finishes are available in silver, gray or, like here, in the gray-black version Different colors of LEDs are also be used to illuminate it. Here we have red pointers and white shields This version generally support all vehicle functions with the exception of: Speech synthesizer, Bulbs falut detection system and extended functionality of the tire pressure control system consists of displaying the current pressure of each of the four wheels Someone once asked me if in that case we can not have a system for controlling pressure in the tires at all? Well we can There is an appropriate indicator – punctured tire symbol The system informs us only about the fact that one of the wheels is underpressured with flashing or constant illuminating of this indicator This information complements the additional display (shows which wheel is the problem) located next to the audio system display or color navigation display for the version that has it Someone once asked me if having this kind of indicator set (“poorer”) allows to have a cruise control fitted in the vehicle? Of course, you can easily “put” the cruise control. After switching on the cruise control here in this place we have a cruise control light, and this simple display of kilometers change into the selected speed display Also the speed limiter works here seamlessly These gauges support both functions This type of instrument cluster, however, can not be diagnosed in any way using computer equipment using DDT2000 and CLIP. This set of indicators only offers simple diagnostics called “Auto-test” which we can call while holding down the key used to scroll on-board computer informations and, at the same time sliding the card “to the end” (ignition on) After displaying this type of board, we can release ADAC button As you can see, the “analog” indicators are testing and also all segments of the liquid crystal display are active Short press on the ADAC button do the following: Display the amount of fuel (in liters) left in the tank, next is the indication of the “fuel flow” in liters per hour. If you start the engine we will have here the current fuel consumption of the engine in liters per hour This information comes naturally from the injection computer Going further, we can see the “error screen” which gauges memorized during normal work These are historical errors which not comes from this car (for showing purposes I exchanged instrument cluster). First letter is letter “t” and it means the detection of a lack of “fuel flow” data transmission from an injection computer In the second position, the letter “J” may appear – it indicates a fault in the fuel level sensor In the third position there is a place for letter “d” – no communication with the injection computer The fourth, last letter “h” – indicates the engine oil level sensor error. This is also a historical error in my case Next, we come back to the first screen If you want to erase the errors stored in the instrument cluster memory just press now the delete key on the instrument cluster briefly The indicators will return to normal operation and the fault memory will be cleared If after you run the test again, the errors have disappeared ( “_ _ _ _” means that there is no errors)

this means that these were historical errors. However, if they are still displayed this means that these are active (existing) errors and you should look at the proper circuit and fix it If you do not want to clear the fault memory, just slide out the card during the test Malfunctions will remain in memory Someone once asked me how it is with the sound of direction indicators and other “beep’s” Well, every meter cluster has a tiny piezoelectric speaker Which simulates the sound generated by classic operation of mechanical relay (direction indicator), the sounds reminds “don’t forget your card” “forgotten” lights, seat belts, etc So if you would like to “mute” your instrument cluster this is where the piezoelectric speaker is located, it is enough to desold it and the dashboard will be silent. The computer does not detect the failure of this, so no errors will occur after this operation You also often asked about the “service interval” change Scrolling through the screens of the onboard computer we find in the end this interval, in this example, oil change is planned after 15138 kilometers Can this value be changed? For the simplest version of instrument cluster that we can not diagnose with a computer the manufacturer introducing the vehicle to the market eg Scandinavian countries (high frosts) so called as “particularly difficult operating conditions” (description in the car manual) installs a set of indicators with a program for oil change for example every 15000 km and not 30000 km Although the manufacturer of the set of indicators has predicted in the microprocessor program many possibilities of different intervals – then the service technician can select several options, eg every 10000 km, 15000 km, 20000 km or 30000 km But finally Renault has not decided to this “universal” version and to the European vehicles FREQUENTLY are mounted a instrument clusters that allows you to set only 30000 km option To reset the inspection, press and hold the reset button when you have “inspection screen” displayed on the trip computer Until the digits begins to blink. Then keep holding the button, the first blinking value is the “first option” of the interval you can choose If our instrument cluster supports more interval options these will be displayed one by one – I release the reset button on the value that interests me and it is programmed In this case, we unfortunately have only one service value (30000 km) and the inspection is now cleared It would be wise to rectify one incorrect information here which distributes Renault in its official service materials that the value of the service interval could be set by connecting a diagnostic tool to the engine computer Yes, the engine computer “talk” via CAN network with instrument cluster, even with the simplest version of gauges but both DDT2000 and Renault CAN Clip do not allow to change the service interval in the the Engine Control Unit Perhaps this feature was planned but did not come to production stage finally That is the state of my knowledge at this time. If you have any information on this topic, please wrote a comment below I also looked for other modules, such as ABS (it gives the speed signal to the instrument cluster so theoritecally can “count” kilometers seperately) – I did not find it Next question we ask: It is possible to change instrument cluster from this one to this, called by you “after-facelift” Or from the simplest version to the version with large display but still from pre-facelift Of course this operation is possible Connectors have the same connected pins in each version All signals ale also identical So you can simply exchange instrument cluster for the one you want paying attention only to the fuel type of your engine Simple: If you have petrol engine – you must change to a instrument cluster from petrol. Diesel to Diesel. Rev counters is a difference Engine capacity does not matter – all are compatible Important is the type of fuel – petrol or diesel and units – liters or gallons (and kilometers / miles) Type number two: Laguna 2 pre-lift instrument cluster

but called as “higher version of equipment” What is different from the first? First of all we have here another, “big” dot-matrix display In Poland, often dumb Polacks called it “color display” but in fact, it is a monochrome matrix working in negative mode and it is illuminated by LED in three colors: White, yellow and red The trip computer has not changed its functions, we have the same as in the lower level gauges If you have automatic gearbox, in the previous type of gauges you have here an additional LCD display which indicated you a currently engaged gear and eventually that you need to press the brake pedal if you want to change driving mode In this version of meter cluster, this information appears in the main display These clocks generally appeared in two visual versions: the one you see now, with “rare” scales of fuel and temperature indicators and one with a “thicker” scale, as you can see now This is the oldest version of this instrument cluster, the version with “rare” scales is the newer version There was a different versions of the dashboard software: Displaying the screen saver with the Renault logo, without this screen saver There were also versions where the oil change interval could be changed (how to change it – I will show you later in this video) but of course, many of this had only one interval (30000 km) It is possible to easily distinguish the oldest version of the software from the newer by performing an auto-test As usual – press&hold the ADAC button, then insert card “completely” to ignition position And now, press the ADAC button once by once First you have “Press start” screen The second one is “Fuel level low” screen Next is “Charging faulty indicator” screen And that’s all – You have the “new” software version in your instrument cluster But in the oldest version of software, instead of a simple test of three backlight central display colors instrument cluster shows all of the screens possible to be displayed Instrument clusters with this software appeared mainly in the first produced cars from early 2001’s Okay, the next question you ask: How to activate the Renault logo screen saver? Most software version contains this screen saver has gauges with “thick” scales (oldest ones), but not ever Here is an example, I have a screen saver here, but I do not have a “thick” scale There were also versions of the instrument cluster displaying the current tire pressure on the last “screen” of the on-board computer – the “service interval” tab I have this functionality here, unfortunately I currently have mounted winter wheels without pressure sensors, so the SSPP system is deactivated This version is extremely rare What are the differences between this gauges vs previous? First of all they support speech synthesis light bulb manulfunction detection system and they can also display current tire pressure on the screen These gauges also fit into each version of car so if you want to change your current indicators to such, just buy it paying attention to the type of fuel and units of measurement Other parameters we can configure using the computer In general, these clocks communicate with our computer using the K-line diagnostic despite having CAN bus CAN is only for communication with other ECUs between (dash reads engine revs with CAN etc.) But the diagnosis is still on the old, good K-line I will now show you an example of diagnostics and configuration using two tools: Renault CAN Clip (I use version 160) and DDT2000 CLIP: After properly established communication, “obtaining a VIN number” procedure and “multiplex network test” passed we choose the dashboard module and go to its examination. (names of the sections may be little different cause I don’t have CLIP in English to show you) Here we have the general parameters of the calculator I go to the tab “read states and parameters” On this screen we have displayed states of different inputs (windscreen washer fluid level – if you have xenon lamps, handbrake status, etc.) In “auxiliary information” tab we have key press states. This concerns the speech synthesis keys, the on-board computer scroll button (ADAC button). In addition, we have information about the fuel flow error information from the injection computer

In the “identification of the calculator” tab we have information about Vehicle Identification Number (frame number), software version of the instrument cluster etc And that’s all. But we are more interested in “repair mode” This mode contains ability to learn-in the gauges for a particular car, change language, etc As you can see, we have: Vehicle type: Laguna II, Language: English, Gearbox: Manual, Pressure unit, and “distance control system” that does not exist in Laguna 2 The last one is the ACC system (Adaptive Cruise Control) and only Renault VelSatis uses this function (this instrument cluster also fit to Vel Satis) In the “save configuration” tab we can change it all We enter, for example, to the “vehicle type” We choose whether it is Laguna 2 or it is VelSatis Then we accept So if you buy such instrument panel you must go into the configuration and set each parameter according to your equipment version In the same place we also change the language version of our gauges This setting applies to both text messages on the central display and speech synthesis also – if you have it The unit of air pressure in the tire you can select according to your preferences (BARs or psi) And the ACC, as I said before, in Laguna 2 you always set to “WITHOUT”. (otherwise you may have “Proximity control faulty” error message) In the tab “other parameters” you only have the option to change a VIN number. You can change it to your actual car VIN, but it is not necessary And in the “clear” tab – you can delete the fault memory It’s basically all If you have a version of the dash with the ability to change the service interval in this menu will appear the appropriate option. And that’s basically all about CLIP And now diagnostic with DDT2000: From the list of ECUs I choose “Instrument Cluster” I marked it with a double click, then click on the icon “monitor”, then “circle” and “start” Of course, in the first tab we have input states and errors We can delete them if you want. Let’s move on to “identification and configuration” tab Here we have our current configuration language, vehicle type (Laguna 2), pressure unit, presence of Active Cruise Control gearbox type, and oil change interval in kilometers and in months Unfortunately, our type of indicator set does not allow us to change the interval That is why we have “0” km here If you put gauges from another car, you can choose the language you want here Type of vehicle pressure unit active cruise control, gearbox etc If you also add a speech synthesis system It is important: The synthesis is properly detected by the instrument cluster only if you connect the power supply to the speech synthesis module at the same time as the power of the instrument cluster If you disconnect the car’s battery before you exchange the instrument panel, the synthesizer will be detected right away But if you do not do this, the instrument cluster will not detect the synthesis and speech will not work As you can see, we do not have the option to choose “speech synthesis – yes/no” or something like that – gauges automatically detect it via the CAN line but they will only do this if the “constant + 12V” (before ignition) power is given at the same time to instrument cluster and speech module (Renault calls it “SYP”) Also here the subject is simple, easy and pleasant Example of changing any parameter, eg language. I choose the language I want to have, eg German Then click the “language” and “save configuration” button Then gauges will reset and “ESP disactivated” in German you can hear I will try to return to English, I click “language” and we have “error – no reply for request” And that gives us nothing, change is impossible at this time We have disconnect from the instrument cluster, so click on the “green circle” And then reconnect it again I choose English, click “language” and “save” And now it works We do the same thing with each parameter – individually Finally we have the third type of gauges assembled by the factory factory at Renault Laguna 2 Phase 1 (before facelifting) The appearance has changed slightly compared to the set of indicators I showed you earlier This set of indicators was mounted at the beginning of 2004 year of car production

and at the end of the year 2003 Why after-facelift instruments panel in before-facelift model? Namely, at the end of production of before-facelift model The manufacturer did not have a previous version on the magazine because production was redirected for “new” version As a result, after-lift gauges were mounted to pre-lift versions of cars The user of that vehicle received two operating manuals in the factory set: The first one is a “normal” user manual, as you can see the pre-lift model This is the German version but it does not matter much Here we have described this “simpler” instrument cluster And we have described also the “older”, as we can call it, instrument cluster of higher level equipment This is her old version, with old messages for example, inserting a card, As you can see, for example, an injection failure and a description of the trip computer In addition to this instruction we received a little appendix Here I have such a copy, you also see Laguna 2 pre-lift in this photos here This appendix has only a description of the changes what happened in the instrument panel As you can see, it’s multi-lingual It is not particularly thick – only half the thickness of the normal operating instructions And here we have already presented new gauges mounted to ours pre-facelifted Laguna 2 models As you can see we have also described the speech synthesizer here which, as you know was not exist in after-lifting models And here it is fully described. There are not as many graphics available too There is only air pressure in the tires This is a poor card battery message There are few graphic symbols, only the most important There is also a description of a trip computer in it’s new style And then the same in next language This is proof that such versions were manufactured and orginally equipped with a “new” gauges. My colleague bought this version in December of 2003 year, brand new It had a big problem with the sale of this car several years later Because Polacks are usually very stupid people and they accused him of exchanging gauges (It was about mileage) 🙂 They did not know that the polift versions existed in the prelift What has changed compared to the set of indicators that I showed you earlier? We have some uglier messages For example, this request from us to insert a card no longer has animation In this version also a screen saver presenting the Renault logo are no longer available Also when we turn on the ignition the difference can be seen – slightly different test procedure I do not have a steering wheel here at this time (so the Airbag error appears) but for a moment you saw the “PRESS START” screen There is no longer this nice, distinctive arrow Many other error messages, such as fuel injection system failures and other systems, are no longer graphical pictograms This is due to the fact that this instrument cluster supports many of the new features that come with after-lifted car versions While the gauges CPU it’s still the same Motorola It has the same amount of internal storage, it has not been extended Unfortunately – something for something, the manufacturer had to delete some graphics to free up some space in memory. It was cheaper than rebuilding all of the circuits The appearance of these gauges is a thing of taste – I personally do not like them Fuel levels and temperatures are slightly smaller so this is not very readable But the amount of information emitted by the display is larger We have also a two physical STOP and SERVICE control lights so this informations are not more occupy space in central display Another feature – information about opening the door and flap on the central display Instrument cluster simply read this informations from the CAN network as well as the “small” display next to audio system display or navigation Another advantage is the removal of the physical trip-reset button on the instrument cluster Resetting trip computer is now also supported by the ADAC key on the wiper knob. Long press resets values, short – scrolls the screens This is an advantage because the button hole in the previous version of the gauges was not too seal

and a bit of dust was getting inside the instrument cluster spoiling the visual effect So this is a cool solution As for the menu available to the user Nothing has changed too Resetting an oil inspection interval can be done in two ways: The first, classic, using the ADAC button – we set the display screen to the “remaining oil change” then hold the ADAC button on the wiper-knob First, the actual value blinks, then new interval also blinks If you release ADAC button when the new interval blinks, a resetting procedure is completed The cool information displayed by this gauges is the card battery status You simply get a proper text information on the screen when your battery is weak Of course, this information is also read from the CAN network Even in pre-lift versions, the interior module, also in the simplest versions of these cars, has information about the battery status of each card So far, however, it was available only for service purposes, but now it was decided to display this information to the user The new version also includes the glow plug heating as a LED classic indicator instead of graphic pictogram on the central display This is also a good solution – at low temperatures, rapid changes of symbols on the central display They caused an ugly visual effect of “spreading” the messages on the display. It was quite unreadable On low ambient temperatures LCD displays do not feel so good (if they do not have heating) what is their natural “feature” Here was also a quick change in the color of the display backlight from yellow to white What completely confused – the owners of diesel know what’s going on. Now we have a quick response light here, as in older cars Another difference: If you have active SSPP (tyre pressure checking system) at any time, while driving, you can display your current tire pressure This feature, as I said before, was also present in some versions of the pre-lift gauges software but here it is in every version. If you use SSPP – it may be useful to you When driving, just go to the last screen of the instrument cluster and you can see the current pressure How to diagnose these gauges? Only by using Renault CAN, or by doing an auto-test The auto-test can be started by holding down the ADAC button while switching on the ignition (same as in previous gauges) This gauges, in addition to the displays and the indicators, also tests most of the control lights By pressing on the ADAC button we can change the screens: The first screen tests the white backlight of the central display, it also displays the amount of fuel left in the tank in liters (as in previous versions) Next screen – yellow illumination test and fuel flow information Next: error screen (letter are identical as in “lowest” instrument cluster) and red illumination test And again we go back to the beginning To delete errors (if you have at least one), press&hold the ADAC button longer With these gauges, when it comes to computer connection, unfortunately we will no longer connect through the K line The earlier version of the clocks communicated along the K line, but this version uses only CAN-based communications As a result, unfortunately, the DDT2000 program will not be useful As in all Laguna 2 after-facelift, unfortunately most systems support diagnostics only through CAN So we connect the probe, start the program and create a connection Of course, you can use the automatic VIN recognization procedure

If you have just exchanged a set of pointers for a polift version and want to configure them for your vehicle it is important to activate option “force re-identification of electronic modules” because if you have already diagnosed your car using this CLIP, then your computer already remember your vehicle configuration and he will not even try to connect to these types of instrument cluster because he do not suspect that you exchanged them So we tick this option, and run the “calculators test” as usual As you can see, the dashboard is already visible on our CAN network So we can go to diagnostics: I mark it, and click “test” Then I go to the tab “read states and parameters” Here we can see the data readed by our gauges In the tab “executive elements” we can call various tests (speaker, LED test, displays etc.) The “identification of the calculator” tab will show us the VIN number, software version, etc. (identical to the previous type of clocks) But for all those who change the instrument cluster from the pre-lift to the after-lift version, the “repair mode” will be important. Let’s get into it Here is the entire vehicle configuration currently stored in the instrument cluster. It comes from another vehicle if you exchanged the gauges So we need to reprogram it according to the parameters of our vehicle So, we go to the “save configuration” tab And we enter into the desired options, eg Language We see that we currently have the Russian language set here, select from the list a different we want (eg English) and click on “approve” At this moment, gauges will reset and language is successfully changed Then I click “back” Then configure the “vehicle type”. As a rule, it is set to “Laguna 2 phase 2” Of course, we have to change this to “Laguna 2” setting. This is another confirmation that these clocks the vehicle manufacturer also provided for the pre-lift version Then select the type of cabin computer installed (UCH). You also need to set up the Pre-Lift Laguna here for everything can work properly Next, we set the gearbox type (“BVA” means automatic, “S.B. MAN” – manual) Similarly “fuel type” (petrol, diesel) Then “type of computer board display” – here we declare units of measure (liters, kilometers per hour or gallons and miles) Then, “Vehicle Tracking” – select whether you have an ESP (Traction Control / Electronic Stability Program) system If your ESP switch not working fine (no shutdown message when the switch is pressed) this option is probably not configured properly. Someone once asked me that question – why it does not work after instrument exchange Gauges were incorrectly configured. Also, ESP message (during slippage) is not displayed if the option is set incorrectly Tire Pressure Control – If you have a functioning whole system (sensors and receiver) and sensor codes are entered in the cabin computer and it is activated propertly then you can finally turn on the system here Then set the speedometer unit (kilometers or miles) “Excessive speed in Arab countries” – it does not concern us Unless you want to have an acoustic signal at over 130 km/h 🙂 “Seat belt warning chime” – you can deactivate it here Then “automatic funning lights” – if you have additional relays located in the box above the passenger cubby, you can activate it (acoustic signal confirms that automatic lights is activated) Automatic parking brake – an important point of configuration. It is necessary to reconfigure because it does not exist in pre-lift versions And leaving this option enabled will cause a permanent “failure of the braking system” message on the center screen, so keep this in mind “Air pressure unit” in tires – what you like, BARs or PSI? 🙂 Cruise control / speed limiter – If you car is equipped with, set it to “WITH” This type of gauges must have this programmed, older versions themselves detect the cruise control

“Drive mode with cruise control / speed limiter”. If the cruise control behaves strangely (bad displays), after passing the test drive, set this option to the opposite. It depends on the injection controller which options is correct for your engine Speech synthesizer – also set according to equipment Unless you do not want to hear “Warning! Fuel level low” because it demotifies you – here you can turn it off permanently with no problem 🙂 Particle filter – this is for diesel users As mentioned in the note at the bottom: In Laguna 2 pre-lift we always set this option to “WITHOUT FILTER”, even if we have it The next setting concerns the fuel tank capacity Every Laguna 2 has a tank of 70 liters capacity and we set it Then the “reserve capacity” – 6 liters for Laguna 2 However, if you want more litres of fuel with “low fuel level” indicator, you can change it with no problem If you have a factory LPG installation – you choose the capacity of the tank here Now “other parameters” tab: “Updating the mileage counter” – if you want to correct the mileage It is only possible to raise this count For example, if you have purchased instrument cluster with a mileage of 120000 km and your car has 210000 km You can enter here the value you want to have, and click “confirm” And then the mileage will be updated. The current counter status is displayed here Warning! As I said before, you can only increase mileage! Fraud of increasing the mileage to 999999 km, then driving 1 km (instrument cluster will reset to 0 km because maximum value is 999999) and again use “increasing the mileage” to the value we want was planned by the manufacturer – you can type and accept 999999 km but the clocks will set the mileage to no more than 700000 km You’ll make yourself angry! Ok, we got what we’re more interested in: “Frequency of oil change in kilometers” “Frequency of oil change in months” “Current mileage remained to replace the oil in kilometers” and “current time left to change oil in months” The first option, contrary to what you read in the option description allows you to program the default oil change interval in kilometers – that which we can reset with the ADAC button So the default 30000 km we can set ourselves to another, chosen by us In this field enter “10” for 10000 km, “15” for 15000 km, etc Ustawienie nie usuwa obecnie “mierzonych” kilometrów w celu wymiany oleju I personally exchange oil every 10000 km so this interval I program – I recommend it to you too Then I go to set the default time for oil change in months This set of indicators has a built-in time base (although it does not display the date and the current time) So the oil change will be forced (SERVICE light + proper text message) after a certain number of kilometers OR after a period of time after reset (depending on what happens first) For more information, see the vehicle operating instructions Two next options allow you to set the current amount of kilometers left to change oil and time in months For example, if you have a month or 2500 km left for the nearest oil change And you exchange the gauges, in this place you can “move” the values from the old ones (or from your service notes) Autorised repair station like to use this option to force the user to change oil faster than according to schedule (eg “rinsing” the engine after repair, etc) The next option is used to recalibrate the fuel level sensor Option used only if the car owner points to fuel gauge works improperly – if you works ok, do not calibrate! The last option, the “VIN number change” is used to “cover” numbers with other car computers – this is not required for proper operation of the instrument cluster In the “clear” tab, we can clear the fault memory in the same way we erase it during an auto-test I like the multitude of configuration options of this instrument cluster Particularly modifying service intervals is useful

This is all you can configure in this gauges. I hope my tips were clear and easy for you And if you exchanged gauges for others in your car, you will probably use this knowledge 🙂 If instead of “small” radio display you have a Carminat satellite navigation system Once you have set up the instrument cluster correctly according to my instructions fully eject your Renault card from the reader, wait about five minutes Then put it on – navigation will turn on correctly I hope the film was liked and was useful Cheers!