Interview of Taur Orange, 2019 September 11

TRIVETTE: Good morning, everyone I’m Karen Trivette, and I’m an Associate Professor and Head of Special Collections and College Archives at the Fashion Institute of Technology, part of the State University of New York We are in New York City, on campus at FIT, and it is about 10:16 in the morning on September 11th, 2019 And we are very pleased to offer you another installment of FIT Talks, which is the oral history program of the Fashion Institute of Technology We are extremely happy to have with us today our special guest, Taur Orange And Taur, welcome to FIT Talks ORANGE: Thank you very much Thank you TRIVETTE: I’d love to ask you if you will tell listeners and viewers what your role is here at FIT ORANGE: To terrorize [01:00] my students (laughter) My formal title — TRIVETTE: Very good ORANGE: — is Director of the Office of Educational Opportunity Programs TRIVETTE: And for those who aren’t familiar with an EOP, tell us what that is ORANGE: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm And thank you for the opportunity to explain it — TRIVETTE: Yes, ma’am ORANGE: — because it is probably the model of best practices in higher education that often goes unacknowledged EOP is a New — specifically a New York State, SUNY admissions program, which has as its mission to identify capable, college-capable students who for whatever reason did not perform as highly as they could have at the high school level, and, most importantly, have historical, socioeconomic disadvantagement So we know that all across the state there are young [02:00] people who crave the opportunity to do postsecondary education, but for some of the kind of the life challenges that they’re experiencing think that it’s not possible, and our job is to help identify them, support them in this pursuit, and to help graduate them TRIVETTE: That is what we call an honorable mission, (laughter) if I may say so ORANGE: But for the terror part, yes TRIVETTE: Oh, exactly Well, it has its place So I’m just going to ask you a few questions that we ask most of our interviewees, and perhaps trail off if a path presents itself First of all, please tell researchers a little bit about your childhood ORANGE: Mm Perfect timing: I attended a reunion just three weeks ago — TRIVETTE: Oh, fantastic ORANGE: — and it was the first time that I attended the reunion on the site of [03:00] where I grew up I’ve attended events that were sponsored by the — sort of the reunion committee, but I had not gone back, except for one time, but not for a reunion I grew up in the Bronx I’m a proud product of the Bronx We’ve debated for some time what part of the Bronx: it’s not the South Bronx; it’s not Morrisania But I grew up in an area that is a bit west of Bruckner Boulevard, north of Hunts Point, south of Castle Hill (laughs) TRIVETTE: Boy ORANGE: We’re not quite sure what we call it, but I grew up in a solid working-class community, a solid working-class integrated community I remember my parents sharing with me and my siblings the stories, prior to my birth, of having settled in what was called the Quonset huts TRIVETTE: Oh, wow ORANGE: The Quonset huts apparently were barracks that were set up [04:00] for returning vets, young vets, and public housing was built really to accommodate these young men who were returning from the war, World War II, to establish their families So my parents were among the first — in fact, were among — were the first to settle in a public housing community called Bronxdale Houses My two older brothers were born in the Quonset huts, but I was born in Bronxdale Houses, and loved it Loved Loved the expanse of it My particular housing development went up to the sixth floor There were three sections We played outside In fact, it was almost like an edict: go play (laughter) We played But I loved the expanse of it, and I loved the sense of community I loved knowing that [05:00] other children were raised — although we weren’t able

to articulate it quite in the same way — were raised with the same value system And the value system was very much rooted in sort of an ethical what’s right, what’s wrong; when you do something wrong you can try to hide it, but eventually you’ll confess (laughter) And, in a sense, even though it was an integrated community, it was certainly not a perfect setting There were issues of racism that would rear their head And what I’m grateful for is that even in that environment there was a message that said that no one is better than you, and that you are as good as everyone else Yeah But a product of the Bronx TRIVETTE: Awesome And tell us a bit about your educational background ORANGE: So I attended two [06:00] different public schools in the area And the issue of racism, in fact, kind of informed where I attended school, because there, unbeknownst to us as children, there was behind the scenes a battle among some of the parents as to where African American and Puerto Rican children would attend school, and where the Italian and Jewish kids would attend school So I began in one public school, and then once parents of color fought a particular battle I was transferred back to a public school that was nearer to our residence And from there, attended a local junior high school that was quite integrated, and went on to — (laughs) begrudgingly, I might confess — Bronx High school of Science TRIVETTE: Oh, wow ORANGE: There was a local high school that had just been built and opened, and, of course, I wanted to be there with all of [07:00] my friends And my mother, to her credit, said not “No” but “Heck no.” (laughter) And off I went to take the test — TRIVETTE: Wow ORANGE: — for the specialized schools, and the rest is history TRIVETTE: My goodness ORANGE: Quite by happenstance, although all things I think are sort of in divine order, a friend of mine went off to Wesleyan, and I remember him coming back his freshman year, Christmas holiday time, convincing my father that I should apply to Wesleyan My father had it in his mind that I would attend college locally He wanted me at Fordham or somewhere locally He did not want me to go away I was the youngest, and the only daughter TRIVETTE: Oh, boy (laughs) ORANGE: And somehow my dear friend Ted convinced him that I should at least be allowed to apply to Wesleyan, [08:00] and I did, and so the rest is history there TRIVETTE: Oh, wow ORANGE: Yeah TRIVETTE: And so you were there four years? ORANGE: Four years TRIVETTE: Yes, yes And did you continue your education from there? ORANGE: I did TRIVETTE: And tell us about that ORANGE: So I attended NYU — TRIVETTE: Oh, very good ORANGE: — for higher ed administration, until I ran out of money (laughter) And then finished over at New York Institute of Technology TRIVETTE: Very good ORANGE: Shifted my focus to human relations, and it seemed to be a more comfortable fit for me Yeah TRIVETTE: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm It’s nice when that works out ORANGE: Yes TRIVETTE: What did you want to be when you grew up? ORANGE: (laughter) Well, the fantasy or the reality? I mean, the fantasy — TRIVETTE: Tell — ORANGE: — was I would have loved to have been a dancer TRIVETTE: Oh, wow ORANGE: But I was not a dancer But I would have loved to have been In a practical way, I aspired to dentistry TRIVETTE: [09:00] Oh my goodness! Wow ORANGE: And it wasn’t until second semester of my freshman year at Wesleyan that I realized not only was I not strong enough in the sciences, but I didn’t love the sciences as much as I thought I did And so psychology and religion began to take root TRIVETTE: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm And that’s the mission of college is to help you figure out what you want to do versus what you don’t want to do ORANGE: Absolutely That’s the value of a liberal arts education TRIVETTE: Exactly Exactly ORANGE: Exactly But, yeah, dentistry was my first real focused professional aspiration, and to this day I’m probably the only one on the planet who still enjoys going to the dentist (laughter) and asking questions TRIVETTE: Very good ORANGE: I want to see the charts TRIVETTE: I’m jealous (laughter) Tell us about your first job ORANGE: Oh my gosh [10:00] Fordham Road, in the Bronx, Alexander’s department store —

TRIVETTE: Oh, boy ORANGE: — in bras, in brassieres TRIVETTE: Oh, how fun ORANGE: And it was absolutely overwhelming (laughs) Overwhelming TRIVETTE: Yes ORANGE: Overwhelming Overwhelming, did I say? Yeah, yeah, that I will never forget Fordham Road had an Alexander’s department store There was one on Fordham Road and one on Third Avenue, in the South Bronx, and I would — I was about 16, maybe, or 17 TRIVETTE: I was — that was my next question, yeah ORANGE: Sixteen, 17, and I was at a total loss, but quickly made it happen TRIVETTE: Cool ORANGE: Women were coming in in droves, (laughter) and I was like, oh my God I went home and I asked my mother, “How the heck do I fit women for bras? How the heck do I know their bra size?” TRIVETTE: Talk about human relations (laughter) ORANGE: She was very amused by it But I stayed [11:00] I began during the summer, and I think I gave it up, or my mother made me give the job up, probably in the early months, once I started school again So I was there for maybe about three or four months, but yeah TRIVETTE: Okay, cool So let’s fast forward: what was your first job in terms of what you would call professional, a professional position, after your education? ORANGE: Good question, because in some ways I really do consider that job (laughs) at Alexander’s the starting point of how to work with the public — TRIVETTE: Yes, definitely ORANGE: — and how to adjust to people’s needs, and to be — to address people’s needs But formally I would say it was — I had a summer job, the Association of Black Social Workers Now, this was while I was attending Wesleyan, but during the summer [12:00] I was hired to work with three-year-olds TRIVETTE: Wow Ooh ORANGE: Post-Wesleyan, my first professional job was with an organization that I’m still proudly affiliated with It had been called Boys Harbor; it’s now called the Harbor for Boys & Girls, located in East Harlem — TRIVETTE: Nice ORANGE: — and founded by Tony Duke, of the Duke family And I was very lucky, quite honestly, to have an older brother who worked there, and who thought that I would be a good fit for the organization And so I was hired to help not write grants but to help assist the organization’s grant writer, Elsa Morse TRIVETTE: Wow ORANGE: And gosh, did I learn a lot TRIVETTE: Trial by fire ORANGE: Yeah TRIVETTE: Amazing ORANGE: And so that’s what I do now, of course, is I write grants But Elsa Morse was my first mentor, without my even knowing that she would become a mentor [13:00] for that TRIVETTE: Wow ORANGE: But I assisted her Yeah TRIVETTE: Amazing Any other — ORANGE: And then — TRIVETTE: Yeah, any other highlights that come to mind? ORANGE: So I stayed with the Harbor for six and a half years, and became a very young director for some of their early signature programs: Upward Bound, Talent Search, and they had a program for health sciences for high school students, and so I became the director of those programs, yeah TRIVETTE: So what was the path to your current position? ORANGE: Hmm. (laughter) Attending a meeting here at FIT for a grant that was shared by several other organizations So it was a particular grant FIT had that same grant We would rotate where we would meet, and on [14:00] this critical day Mildred Rothman, bless her spirit — Mildred Rothman had been the Chairperson of the Educational Skills Department here — said to me as I was departing the meeting, “Taur, do you know anyone who might be available or interested in a position here as a student advisor?” And I said, “No, but if you have a flyer or something” — in those days it was a flyer (laughs) — “I’ll take it back to the Harbor with me.” And during that train ride, I said, what? (laughter) I could do this with my eyes closed, and the salary’s higher, and it’s less stress And so I contacted Mildred when I arrived at the Harbor, and pitched me And I’ll never forget: Mildred said, “Mm, I don’t think so.” TRIVETTE: Oh, boy

[15:00] Did she give a rationale? ORANGE: Yes, she said, “You’re overqualified, and I’m looking for someone, you know, maybe right out of grad school, and…” And I was crushed And by the next morning I got up the gumption to call her again, (laughter) and to convince her that I should at least be granted an interview And in that room there were five women: Irene Buchman — TRIVETTE: Oh, for heaven’s sakes ORANGE: — Susan Jacobson — I’ll never forget it — Gail Ballard, Mildred Rothman — seven — Mona Schwartz, and Sheila Piros TRIVETTE: Wow ORANGE: And they interviewed me I convinced them that I could be an asset, that I had worked with young people, that I had something that I thought I could bring to the position TRIVETTE: Success (laughs) ORANGE: And that’s where it began And I envisioned that I would be here [16:00] two years It’s 37 years later TRIVETTE: Why the two-year threshold? ORANGE: I wanted to go to grad school — TRIVETTE: Oh, okay ORANGE: — and I wanted I just didn’t see myself being a student advisor forever, and I didn’t particularly see myself in higher education That wasn’t something that was on my radar TRIVETTE: Goodness ORANGE: And so, yeah, two years turned into 37 years TRIVETTE: Amazing Well, congratulations on such a wonderful tenure ORANGE: Thank you TRIVETTE: Tell us a little bit about your time here at FIT We understand the beginnings Take us down that journey ORANGE: So I stayed with the department, Educational Skills Department, for 11 years, and was — during that time had done some work with EOP Betty Merritt at that time was [17:00] the Director of EOP And when Betty retired, I was asked if I might consider the position And I was a little ambivalent, to be honest I had heard quite a bit about some of the challenges of the position, and the lack of institutional support, and I wasn’t sure whether or not I wanted to take that on But I interviewed, and I was asked to take the position I laid out some requests that, for me, were non-negotiable if the program was going to be as successful as I felt it could be Those requests were declined, and so I declined the position TRIVETTE: (gasps) Really? ORANGE: And so for one year I went on with my life (laughter) TRIVETTE: A whole year? ORANGE: [18:00] The entire year, and I was fine with it — TRIVETTE: Wow ORANGE: — and I returned to the Ed Skills Department, and thought nothing of it, other than what a loss on their part But I felt that — because I, again, I had heard about some of the challenges and the lack of institutional support, and I said, wow they’re missing the boat They’re not getting it And after one year I was approached again, with, I would say, about three of my five requests, a promise for a fourth, a fifth that they said was impossible, and I reconsidered, and I took the position TRIVETTE: And do you recall what those requests were at the time? ORANGE: Sure, sure I wanted independent space for the program It was a room in the deans’ area, in B221 It was a room I wanted independent space for students I wanted a full-time [19:00] secretary I was presented with a scenario where I would be sharing a secretary with the Dean of Students for part of one day, and the other part of the day I would have her So I wanted a full-time position I also requested that I have faculty status, non-classroom faculty status TRIVETTE: Nice ORANGE: The — what was the fourth one? The fourth one was Oh, I’m forgetting There was one that was non-negotiable that they said they didn’t feel as though they could Oh, that I wanted an assistant director That’s what it was: I wanted an assistant director And the fifth was that I wanted the option to know that I could have counselors, that I can’t be bottlewasher and cashier and everything else I wanted to be able to have a staff, and I wanted the institutional commitment that they would [20:00] bring on some people

TRIVETTE: Right ORANGE: Yeah TRIVETTE: And so most of those were met, initially ORANGE: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm TRIVETTE: And have you seen them fulfilled completely over time? ORANGE: Yeah TRIVETTE: Okay ORANGE: Yes, I’m really proud to say that TRIVETTE: That’s great ORANGE: And, of course, no one ever, ever, ever does it alone I’ve had some amazing people come and go, and some people who stayed with me 17, 18, 20 years TRIVETTE: Amazing ORANGE: But I have non-classroom faculty status We have independent space The institution provided us with a secretary, a full-time secretary And I went from being the counselor to now having three full-time counselors and one part-time counselor The college does not pick that up, but SUNY made that commitment And so we went from something like 75 students to we service 255, and SUNY has asked us to get to 400 because they’re pleased with the outcomes TRIVETTE: That’s amazing ORANGE: Yeah TRIVETTE: When you [21:00] think back on your 37 years, what challenges and successes really stand out for you? ORANGE: Hmm Specific to me, or to the institution? TRIVETTE: Um Let’s say to you, first ORANGE: I would certainly begin with the achievement of some of those goals I really was very — “committed” is putting it mildly (laughter) I was adamant that the program be respected for its potential, and that the students of the program be recognized for their potential And I think we’re there TRIVETTE: That’s awesome ORANGE: Yeah I take great pride in that, that when this institution now hears [22:00] “EOP” they think of students who are operating at a very high level They think of a program that demands quite a bit out of its students, and that values excellence TRIVETTE: Well, it’s clear you’ve had more successes than challenges (break in video) What opportunities still exist that you’d like to see fulfilled? ORANGE: I think there’s always room for more institutional support I think I shared with you earlier that in this period of budgetary retraction, that a secretary line (laughs) that we fought so hard for has been removed That, to me, I just think is just almost silly I mean, how do you run a program of this magnitude without secretarial support? TRIVETTE: With increased expected outcomes ORANGE: [23:00] Yes, yes, yes In the office, we also over time grew the office beyond just EOP It is the Office of Educational Opportunity Programs, plural, and so there is a childcare program — TRIVETTE: Oh, nice ORANGE: — for FIT students who have childcare needs TRIVETTE: Very cool ORANGE: And we also run a precollege program that we run in conjunction with the college’s college program So we work with students who have socioeconomic need at the high school level, as — really as a feeder for EOP So we have a scholarship that the Foundation here at the college has been very generous with for more than 20 years TRIVETTE: Amazing ORANGE: And we bring those students on We have them participate in an expanded Saturday program, but we pay the scholarship for them to take a course in Saturday life So [24:00] they attend an hour earlier, and they stay two hours later — TRIVETTE: Wow ORANGE: — and the foundation supports that TRIVETTE: So you mentioned earlier, when I asked the successes versus challenges question, if it should apply to you or FIT Let’s turn to the wider lens of FIT What are some of your insights in those terms? ORANGE: I think FIT is, in some ways, still grappling with an identity issue And there’s no right — in my opinion, certainly — there’s no right or wrong identity I know that there’s been a really hefty push to legitimize the liberal arts offerings as, in my opinion, there should be I often think, however, that the institution is marketed as sort of a quasi [25:00] private

institution TRIVETTE: Yes ORANGE: It is a public institution, and its mission is very rooted in access It’s very rooted in affordability, and in diversity TRIVETTE: Absolutely ORANGE: And I think those goals, we are achieving I think we could achieve them a little bit more quickly and aggressively, but I do see progress Yes Yes TRIVETTE: Well, when you think back on your 37 years at FIT, are there any events or experiences that just immediately come to mind that you’d like to share? ORANGE: I’m — what’s the word? — grateful and surprised (laughter) that the direction of the office [26:00] went in a way that began to include some events offerings, that we were not just tethered to desks, advising students as to whether or not they should take 12 versus 15 credits In fact, I — and this was pre, of course, Advisement Center TRIVETTE: Oh, right ORANGE: That was the mainstay of our work was to advise students who were considered at-risk on — helping with the educational mapping, but also the concrete academic advisement Should they take 15 credits? Should they take 17 credits? And then I began, very early on, to say there’s more to this office And so we began to partner with different industry professionals, to present events on campus that I think really had significant impact And [27:00] one particular gentleman — (clears throat) pardon me — Leonard Davis, who is an FIT alum, has produced many of our events, and continues to But we brought — we had a major event, Versailles ’73, where we brought back to campus the — some of the significant models who participated in that legendary, really legendary fashion show in Paris TRIVETTE: Very cool ORANGE: I think we were able to bring back like eight of the ten original models TRIVETTE: Amazing! ORANGE: And that, to me, was extraordinarily impressive We recently partnered with Bernard Dillard, who’s a professor in math and science, to bring to campus the Central Park Five TRIVETTE: Oh, yes ORANGE: We were able to bring three of the five And so those kinds of events, I think, give dimension to an office, that help promote diversity, [28:00] that I remember saying to Bernard, “It’s interesting to bring — to collaborate to bring to campus these young men, because they probably would have been EOP students were they not incarcerated Had history not impacted them the way it did, these would have been young men that we would have brought to campus in a different capacity They probably would have come through EOP.” TRIVETTE: Amazing ORANGE: Yeah So those are the kinds of things that, through the years, have been meaningful, have been extraordinarily — yeah, very meaningful TRIVETTE: How has the establishment of the Office of Diversity had an impact on your role and your program? ORANGE: I think the office has been enormously supportive of our office Enormously so [29:00] The most obvious reason is because the gentleman who heads up that office, Ron Milon, is a product of EOP himself He was EOP at SUNY Brockport many, many years ago, (laughter) and so he gets the mission, and he understands how incredibly valuable — TRIVETTE: Great ORANGE: — the program is, both in terms of access but also in terms of completion He says that were it not for EOP at Brockport he doesn’t know, given what was happening in his own personal life, whether he would have completed college And here he is: he went on to obtain a doctorate TRIVETTE: Ph.D ORANGE: Yes TRIVETTE: That’s awesome How would you describe your day-to-day at FIT? (laughs) ORANGE: Robust (laughs) TRIVETTE: Yes ORANGE: It’s full It’s full It’s full in a rewarding way It’s always, always a [30:00] combination of time-sensitive administrative work, and

managing a staff, and lending vision and guidance to an office It’s extracting the best from other people, like my staff It’s setting expectations for students, and seeing students Students drop in all of the time (laughter) They don’t always make appointments And so responding to that Yeah TRIVETTE: So I know you best from our work on committees together, Faculty Senate committees How have — how has that interaction had an impact on your time here at FIT? ORANGE: I always During my time at FIT I always reminded myself [31:00] of how important it was to be a part of the fabric of the institution, and to be careful not, as I said, to be — just be tethered to an office, but to make certain that I was a participating member and a contributing member of the campus So I love my committee work This semester I’m with, and this year I’m with, the Executive Committee — TRIVETTE: Oh, very good ORANGE: — Faculty Senate Executive Committee, on the Diversity Council — TRIVETTE: Cool ORANGE: — the Committee on Academic Standards, and that gives It gives context for the work TRIVETTE: It does ORANGE: It gives real context for the work TRIVETTE: And it allows you to meet so varied a cross-section of your community members ORANGE: Yes Yes TRIVETTE: It’s very rewarding, I think ORANGE: And to help secure the programs that my staff and I work with [32:00] So — but I find it very rewarding to work with colleagues I’ve developed some very deep friendships as a result of the committee — TRIVETTE: Agreed ORANGE: — relationships TRIVETTE: And you mentioned your staff How large is your staff at this point? ORANGE: I have a coordinator for the Saturday program I have a coordinator for the childcare program I have three full-time counselors for EOP, and a part-time counselor And I am always a cup is half full optimist, (laughter) that the secretary of our dreams is on her way back to us Yeah TRIVETTE: I’ll push good vibes and rhythm in that direction ORANGE: I am always half full TRIVETTE: All right (break in video) Do you remember someone saying something to you that had a big impact on your life? ORANGE: (pause) I [33:00] can’t Two things come to mind — really three — and I can’t swear that this was ever said to me, the first one, but I — but it’s a tape in my head, and that is I grew up in a home where my father stressed that we were not better than anyone, that we should not live life thinking that we were better than anyone else That was balanced — I won’t say countered, but balanced — with a message from my mother, who felt adamantly that no one was better than us (laughs) And there’s a subtlety in that TRIVETTE: That full stereo of the message ORANGE: Yeah [34:00] (laughter) I think she wanted to send the message to my dad, you can equip them with that egalitarian stuff if you want, but I want my children to know that nowhere on this planet are they to assume that anyone is better than they And, again, I don’t know if my mother would have said that, but she certainly signaled that TRIVETTE: Yes, messages can be sent without words ORANGE: Yes Yes And so from a very young age I kind of got that TRIVETTE: Awesome ORANGE: And I hope that that’s how I live my life, that I treat people equally, and that the minute I smell (laughter) the scent of superiority in my direction, it’s a trigger for me It’s a trigger My oldest brother referred to me as a warrior — TRIVETTE: Cool ORANGE: — and I didn’t always feel that way, that it was cool, [35:00] but he’s

deceased now, and it has carried me TRIVETTE: Yes ORANGE: Yeah TRIVETTE: What book — I’m a librarian, so I have to ask this question (laughter) — what book has influenced you the most? ORANGE: (pause) Mm, you’re not making this easy TRIVETTE: No, ma’am ORANGE: (pause) Paula Giddings, When and Where I Enter TRIVETTE: Okay Tell us a little bit about that ORANGE: For many years I worked in the employ of the Archdiocese of New York, leading a citywide leadership program that was founded by — he’s now a monsignor — John Meehan, and supported by Cardinal Cooke It had been all-male for many years When it [36:00] went coed, Monsignor Meehan came and asked — this was 1986 — if I would assist him in running the women’s section of the program And I was charged with developing a curriculum And these were 16-year-olds And I threw the kitchen sink at them (laughter) And so it forced me to do a lot of reading, and there was a book that just was so impactful, for them and for me When and Where I Enter is sort of a definitive history of the African American woman’s experience TRIVETTE: Oh, wow ORANGE: From the arrival, as Africans, and the transition into the uniquely painful (laughs) experience of becoming African Americans, the trials, and the enormous triumphs, [37:00] specific to this country TRIVETTE: Yes ORANGE: Yeah TRIVETTE: When was it written? Do you recall? ORANGE: I want to say during the ’80s When — it was a fairly recent release, so I’m going to guess maybe around ’83 But When and Where I Enter TRIVETTE: Cool ORANGE: Uh-huh TRIVETTE: Can you tell us a little bit about your future plans? (laughs) The day is young ORANGE: I will hold some of it I will hold some of it back I don’t want to jinx it I would say I am actively thinking about my next journey I am utterly amazed at how quickly time has passed [38:00] And so I would say the next journey I would — I’d like for it to involve some consulting, some continued work with access organizations, access initiatives, getting young people into quality schools I’ve had — I’m the beneficiary of an amazing education, and so I know what it yields And I see doors shutting, and I know that we can keep doors open TRIVETTE: Yes ORANGE: Yeah TRIVETTE: And never assume they’ll stay open (laughs) ORANGE: Yes Yes TRIVETTE: What would you like for people to remember about you? ORANGE: (pause) [39:00] I’m not sure why I’m being emotional TRIVETTE: It’s fine ORANGE: Um… (pause) That I’ve been very fortunate TRIVETTE: Yes ORANGE: I’ve been enormously fortunate (crying) And there’s not a day that goes by that I’m not aware of that TRIVETTE: Yes, ma’am ORANGE: Yeah TRIVETTE: What question did I not ask that you wish I had? ORANGE: (pause) You’ve asked all of the critical questions TRIVETTE: Okay ORANGE: Yeah So thank you very much for that TRIVETTE: Well, we are equally blessed for having had you on the program Thank you so very much, Taur ORANGE: Thank you [40:00]