Gather – Art, Friends and Road Trip | Performative Documentary

– Maybe it sounds weird but I guess I’ve always just thought of myself as a friend person It’s kind of like having a talent for friendship, but talent is the wrong word It’s more like, wherever I go, I’ve always just been able to like find my people At one point I just started calling it my Friend Alarm, you know? It’s like this thing that would go off inside me when I would meet someone who was for me And maybe it has to do with being able to see things that other people miss Like my friend Peter, I think when people see him walking down the street, they probably think he’s like a big tough guy? But when we hang out, I feel like I can always see this very boyish side of him and it makes me wonder what it would have been like if we had been friends, like, when we were kids Or sometimes I just have these kind of unique connections with people You know that being an artist can be really solitary sometimes But my friend Tim has been a long-term collaborator now, and it’s like being partners in one of those buddy-cop movies where by the end they end up just being really good friends, except instead of a patrol car, our shared space has been years of emails we’ve written about who’s inspiring us and what we have coming up next, or even just how every day can feel like trying to find your way in the dark I know other people have journals for things like that And he’s really busy lately, so honestly I don’t even know if he reads them anymore, but there’s something about knowing that someone’s catching them, even in an inbox folder someplace, it makes everything feel more real somehow So now I help other people find friends It’s not what it looks like on the outside On the outside, we’re teaching these art workshops for grown-ups, but on the inside, we’re helping people find each other, and we’ve been traveling and doing them together for a while but now we need someone to do like mixed media and painting, and really we just need you – (laughs) Don’t you think there’s someone better? – (laughs) There’s probably somebody better than all of us But you’re the only one I want to be with We’ll drive cross-country and gather with other creatives along the way But really this trip is just for us It’s just a chance to be together So, what do you say? – I’m in. (laughs) – I brought you our mix CD so you can start learning all the words – Awesome. (laughs) (upbeat contemporary rock) ♪ Before you say it’s over ♪ ♪ Stay with me for a bit a bit longer ♪ ♪ I don’t know what to say ♪ ♪ Is there any different, different kind of way ♪ ♪ To make you feel, feel better ♪ ♪ Tomorrow is another day ♪ (door clicks) ♪ If this song is not enough ♪ ♪ I’ll write you more ♪ ♪ Yes, many more, my love ♪ (alarm rings) ♪ Just stick with me ♪ ♪ One day we’ll be free ♪ ♪ And you’ll see as you will see ♪ ♪ And that it’s so real, what we want to be ♪ ♪ And you can say what, yes you can say what you want ♪ ♪ And you can say what, ♪ ♪ Yes you can say what you want ♪ ♪ And you can say what you want ♪ – Baby, you gotta go And don’t forget Bruce Springsteen ♪ Drop everything on the run ♪ ♪ And track the wind to the sun ♪ ♪ That shines shines for us ♪ ♪ Like it always does ♪ ♪ All the wars would come and go ♪ ♪ And what tomorrow brings, I don’t know ♪ ♪ Baby all I know ♪ ♪ Is that I love you so ♪

♪ And you can say what ♪ ♪ Yes, you can say what you want ♪ ♪ And you can say what ♪ ♪ Yes, you can say what you want ♪ ♪ And you can say what you want. ♪ – [Tim] Natasha, I don’t know a lot about your life Do you have children? – [Natasha] I do – [Tim] That’s my number one, that’s all I need to know about someone – [Natasha] That’s all– it’ll tell you everything – [Tim] Got it! Now I know your life (laughing) – Yes – If you had to say on a scale of zero to 10, how terrified someone should be about having a child, let’s say zero is pretty scared, and 10 is way-over-the-top scared, I would assume there’s not really a level for– – [Peter] Not scared – Yeah, like– – Yeah – The perfect way I can explain it is: there’s this– where I used to live in the city, there was this promenade that looked over the East River So you could go strolling on it, it was beautiful And I could be really far from the water, like really far from the water, pushing the stroller along, all of a sudden I’d have this terrifying feeling that Dana was going to go over the side and into the water But I was really far from the edge And it was amazing, ’cause a friend of mine said– who was much older, she was like, it’s just the awesomeness of taking care of another life Like, realizing that this little person is going to depend on you for a while for everything And there’s something that’s terrifying about that, and something incredible about that – This is very useful for me to hear My girlfriend and I were having a lot of conversations about kid or kids and things like that, etc And sort of figuring out what we wanted to do Then we learned that she was pregnant so we were like alright, conversation null, conversation irrelevant at this point – [Natasha] Right. Wow, congratulations – That’s a big deal – Thank you Yeah, that’s the thing, that’s the thing in my life Yeah, that’s a thing in my life! (laughs) I didn’t talk about it, I haven’t seen a lot of people in a little while I’ve been scrambling a little bit right now to get a couple of things in order – [Peter] I understand why – Yeah, yeah. It’s an interesting moment – When is she due? – Next week – No, no (laughing) – Sometime this afternoon She’s at the hospital right now – So we need to talk about it now – Five months, five months Thank you very much So I’m very excited, and I think that I already– I’m very scared I was figuring out some things with the bank recently, and there was this survey, like a multiple-choice question “How much savings do you have?” and the first choice is “10,000 or more” and I was like, nah, next choice And the next choice was “50,000 or more” and I was like, hold on, what order– (laughing) What direction is this going? What bank do I go to? I gotta get a new bank – Wow – Anyway – Those kinds of moments feel scary, I think Even now, as you go forward (soft contemporary rock) – [Alisha] So, the kids are away, they’re staying with friends So, there’s bunk beds in here, and there’s bunk beds in here for you guys Okay? So you guys figure it out

– [Natasha] So who’s sleeping where? – [Peter] How are we doing this? You guys are early, always, that’s just, I can’t– – [Jen] All right. Night owls? Okay – Early here? – We’ll take it – [Tim] They got a fish – [Jen] That’s a nice fish – This is the coolest room I’ve ever seen – It is the coolest room It’s amazing – I want to be this person. (Jen laughs) (contemplative guitar music) ♪ Angel wings in the sky tonight ♪ ♪ I’m sitting on a rock and watching heron fly ♪ ♪ Feet in the water, half-awake ♪ ♪ It has been such a beautiful day ♪ ♪ A beautiful day, a beautiful day ♪ (camera clicks) ♪ I’m waiting for the stars to show ♪ ♪ I’m waiting for the fire to glow ♪ ♪ Feet in the water, half-asleep ♪ ♪ Let’s burn one down and slowly disappear ♪ ♪ Disappear, disappear ♪ ♪ Oh I’ve been hiding, hiding deep in the woods ♪ ♪ Oh I’ve been searching searching as far as I could ♪ ♪ For some answers, answers to my riddles and my doubts ♪ ♪ Oh I might have taken the easy way out ♪ ♪ But it doesn’t matter now ♪ – Hey – This is– Is this all your stuff? – It is – This is amazing – Thank you – Like, you made these – Yeah – These are beautiful – Thank you so much – You know, I– It’s funny, I haven’t been real happy with what I’ve been doing I need a break I’ve been hustling for 15 years And I need a break, and I don’t really want to tell stories right now Just last week, I’m supposed to write this new hour and I tried to put it together and I thought I was making a comedy and it turns out it was a psychological horror story and it’s about me, so that freaked me out And I was trying to write stuff and I was trying to get it together, and my wife was helping me with it and I couldn’t do it and it was time for us to sit down and work on the piece and I put my notebook on the floor and I laid down on my back and I started to cry And she brushed my hair and she listened to me, and she did everything, and she read my tarot cards, she did everything and then at the very end of it, she said, “Peter, you need to take a pottery class.” And I said, “How is that going to solve anything?” She’s like “You need to take a pottery class.” And then I just started thinking about it and I guess I do, I guess, I don’t know What I’m doing isn’t working so why not try something

that I’m not doing, and maybe that will work You know, I don’t know So I’m looking for a place to try to learn how to do this This is beautiful – We could go upstairs and do it right now, because I have a studio upstairs This is my gallery space for this work that I make, and then you wanna– – [Peter] Yeah, yes (folk guitar strumming) ♪ I’m gonna be all right ♪ ♪ I’ve been caught in time ♪ ♪ I want you to know that I love you so ♪ – [Woman] So you kind of do like a spiral wedge– You got it. Yeah, there’s an air bubble That’s awesome (sniffs) You’re gonna put your hands, like– this hand rests over here, it doesn’t do anything really It’s just sort of there It sort of rests all the time, and then you’re gonna pull the clay out most of the action happens with this hand ♪ I’m gonna be all right ♪ ♪ I’ve been caught in time ♪ ♪ I want you to know that I love you so. ♪ – [Peter voiceover] So we’re just a small gang traveling across the country running these workshops where we help people tell their stories in circles like this one We all know what it feels like to not have a place in the world and feel like all of our stories don’t matter and that we’re the only ones that went through this thing and we feel like there’s no connection to anybody but when we share our stories, it reminds us all that we aren’t alone – One thing I’ve been thinking about lately is how when I was growing up we moved all the time So at school I was always the new girl and then I always was going into these settings where people had known each other their whole life or grown up together and everyone’s circles were formed and I was trying to find my place and everywhere I went, I would always find my people One place it was the little girl in my class who had asthma, because we were both really bad at running in gym Everyone else was running and then there was me and her at the end But at least she had asthma as an excuse, and I was just really bad at running But there would be someone who you felt like you fell into, who made you feel like less alone, like you were on the inside of something instead of watching everyone else from the outside And it would be like this moment of relief and as soon as it would happen it would be invariably time to move again And I would leave and I remember thinking about even now I think about it, how essential friends are to me to give me that sense of belonging But how there’s also this piece where growing up they weren’t the people you got to take with you And I never got to keep them I would find them and lose them and find them and lose them Over and over again To have friendship be so essential and then so impermanent I feel like those are threads that are still weaving through my life right now – I got really sick in January, like nothing I’d ever experienced before My entire life came to a halt I couldn’t work, I couldn’t teach, I couldn’t make art with people which is what I’d always done I couldn’t make art myself And I always used art to figure out how to get through the highs and the lows All the different things that were happening in life And at first I didn’t really have to think a lot about that What I had to think about was how to ration my energy so that I was able to take care of my kids, I was able to be mom, I was able to be there with my husband So I wasn’t thinking about all the stuff I wasn’t doing, but as time went on, I started to question a lot of who I was I was an artist but I couldn’t make anything

I couldn’t get the materials and bring them to the table and sit down and start I didn’t have enough energy I had enough energy for homework and bedtime and bath time And this one afternoon in February, there was this little light on my wall that was almost like a rainbow, a reflection, and I don’t know where it was coming from even now, but it was bouncing and it was beautiful, and I took a picture of it with my phone, and it felt like something And the next day, I did the same thing I took a picture, something in my house, and slowly but surely, that’s what I was doing I was taking pictures of these moments that felt like joy that I hadn’t experienced And slowly but surely, over time, I was starting to feel better My energy was coming back, I could do more So my camera was with me when I was outside It was with me almost all the time And as I got better to the point that I was out and around people again, A lot of people asked me if I was coming back to start teaching again If I was going to be making art And what I wanted to say was yes, but I didn’t have any desire to pick up the paintbrush anymore And I didn’t have any desire to go to the canvas anymore And I didn’t have any desire to do anything that I had done All of a sudden I just wanted to have my camera with me all the time And I knew people were looking at me and seeing exactly the same person And that was the hard part It was like, how do you see that person and they look exactly the same, but everything has changed (fish tank bubbling) (keyboard keys clicking) – What are you doing? – Writing you. What are you doing? – Looking for jobs – That’s good (soft piano music) – [Jen Voiceover] I know you are busy right now, I’m just not really used to you being so quiet And it’s funny because I miss our conversations almost like a physical place Like these emails are a clubhouse we built together in a tree – We’re packing up and we’ll probably be ready to go soon – Okay. Thank you – Yeah (soft piano) (speaking softly) (laughing) – [Natasha] So what we’ll start with is: the way we think about ourselves More often than not, we spend the day wearing labels

What are some of the labels you can think of that you wear? For example, I have mom, writer–what do you guys think? Any others that you can think of? – Wife – Wife Friend. Sister. There’s a ton Slowly but surely we become all the labels that we wear But what if we didn’t think of ourselves that way? That’s the question we’re going to ask today So what I’d like you to do first is I’d like you to make a list off the top of your head Anything you can think of, it’s like brain dumping All the labels that you wear on a daily basis Just go ahead and make a list (driving folk rock) So what I’m going to do this time around, is I’m going to ask you to make one more list, only this one is very different I’m going to ask you to remove your name your age, your sex, your religion, your job titles, your familial titles Anything that you would normally use to identify yourself And think about how you might if you had none of those things So for example, sometimes I’m the Tasmanian Devil Sometimes I’m a shoulder for a friend Sometimes I’m the lightning late at night when you’re sound asleep, just waking you from your sleep Sometimes I’m the ocean, a wave reaching out across the sand, greeting the sand, and then pulling back away – [Jen] It’s kind of strange how in our world being a friend is almost like nothing We use the same word for some casual online acquaintance as someone who we’ve been best friends with since we were five I’ve been thinking lately, if something ever happened to me, and I was in the hospital in critical condition, who would get to come see me? I have cousins I could pass on the street and not even recognize them But they would get to come in, and you guys wouldn’t, when really you mean so much more to me I mean sometimes I worry like you could get hit by a bus And no one would even call me – Don’t worry, Jen, you’re on the list – I hope you’re right – So guys, thanks for coming here tonight What we’re going to be working on is first-person autobiographical narrative, which is a fancy way to say storytelling It’s the easiest way to make a connection with someone is to tell them a story about yourself Another easy way is to listen to a story from someone else Of a story that they’re telling about themselves All of our stories are not about the crazy thing that happened, they’re about the choices that we made, right? Your stories are really about primary colors of emotion, they’re about love and fear and joy and anger And everyone knows what it’s like to feel love and joy and fear and anger We all know what that’s like So you could take your specific individual story, that only happened to you, but in that story, you were scared, and you can hear that story and you remember a time when you were scared, and you know what she’s talking about You know, maybe you guys have never met It’s a way people can easily be connected with one another I remember being a kid–when you start telling stories about yourself, you start to catalog your life, you start to think about all of these different things that you’ve done And I was trying to remember a time I felt a lot of joy When I was a little boy, I remember on a Saturday night, and my parents would be out playing pinochle with the neighbors, and I’m sitting in my room and I take my G. I. Joe’s and my He-Man and my Transformers and all the little bits and pieces of the accessories and broken things and put them in a pile and as the night would go on, I’d arrange them just so over in a corner of my room, so by the end of the night I have this really intricate kind of crazy almost museum-quality display of all my belongings and everything that meant something to me The physical space that they take up, it brought me so much happiness, it bought me so much joy to look at it

Because I made it It was something that I chose to do, I set it up, and it took up space in the physical world I think as the years have gone on I realize that most of the things I’ve been making are ephemeral It’s words or it’s a performance, there’s something that just happens and then when it’s done, it’s gone And I’ve been really kind of itching to make a thing in the real world again It’s been a long time and I wonder what that would feel like It’s so many years, I feel like I’ve forgotten what that feels like and what that can bring to me – And I’ll just be drawing as well, Actually, one of the jobs that I have right now– (speaking softly) (laughing) – So we’re all in the same place right now– ♪ Maybe we can change our world around. ♪ ♪ Maybe we can waste this fertile ground. ♪ (speaking softly) (upbeat guitar strumming) ♪ The last few miles to your house ♪ ♪ I like to roll the windows down ♪ ♪ I turn off the radio ♪ ♪ And I listen to the sound ♪ ♪ And I come back to you broken ♪ ♪ I come back to you healed ♪ ♪ I come back to you ’cause I’ve chosen you until ♪ ♪ There is nothing left ♪ ♪ There is nothing ♪ ♪ There is nothing wrong with you ♪ – [Stephanie] How was your drive? – It was good, it was long (laughing) – [Stephanie] Come on in, you can see my studio – [Natasha] Oh, this is great! Wow, what kind of things do you make? – I make lots of different things I like to experiment with different techniques So I do pottery and bracelets and there’s some mixed media stuff over there, block prints But they usually have words on them because I don’t know, I feel like inspirational messages are good So when I’m working, I basically think of something that’s meaningful for me at the time, like a message that I need to hear, and then I put it on whatever I’m working on And the interesting thing is, most people– whatever I’m thinking at the time, someone else needs to hear it too – That’s really cool Just like the bracelets here that you make, yeah? These are great – Thanks – I love your camera. Huge fan – I enjoy photography a lot – Do you use it in your work? – Yeah, sometimes I’ll take pictures to use in some of the layers of my mixed media stuff – That’s really cool And what’s this? – That’s the coolest thing, that’s a printer – It’s a printer? – Yeah, it’s a wireless Bluetooth printer – This might be the cutest printer I’ve ever seen – It’s pretty awesome – Oh my God, I’ve been taking photos of our whole trip, documenting it as we’ve been going – You should totally use that – Can I? – Yeah – That’d be great, yes, thank you – You’re going to love it – I can’t wait – You make pottery? – I do – I have a cup that I made one of the last places we were at It doesn’t have glaze on it

– You have it with you? – Yeah – I have those bisque pieces that I’m going to glaze later, so maybe we can have a glaze session, we’ll glaze it here – Yeah, man, that’d be great. Sounds great. Awesome – [Jen Voiceover] I guess the reason finding each other is so powerful is that it’s like finding a home in each other But every finding has a farewell already planted inside of it like a seed At your next event someone will ask me, “How do you know Tim?” and I’ll say, “We used to work together.” I’ll take my place next in a long line of people who knew you well, once I’m just not ready for that yet – [Stephanie] So, three light coats is better than one super thick coat I do my first coat in one direction and my second coat in another It just helps the coverage be more even It feels so good to be sitting in here painting – I bet – I’ve been so busy lately I haven’t had time to make anything and it starts to weigh heavily I can feel my whole body just relaxing, it’s nice – It’s a bummer, man How come you haven’t been able to work in here? – Oh, just lots of stuff going on in life, and then we have that workshop today Have to make dinner tonight – We can make dinner, and we’ve been traveling for a while, and we haven’t had a chance to cook We can make dinner and then while we’re doing that, you could work in here That’s not a problem at all I mean, that’d be fine – That sounds like a good idea – All right, done and done Don’t even worry about it – Thank you – Yeah, our pleasure – [Tim] I notice sometimes when I do workshops like this, people are a little bit terrified holding a pen and paper ’cause there’s this fear of, “Will my drawing be good?” “Am I going to draw something good?” Like when we were little kids, we had fun drawing, but then as time went on, we learned to be ashamed of our drawings And I think a lot about something that my older brother said to me when I was in high school, I had to do a still life for homework, right? So I had a flower in a pot with a piece of fabric next to it and I was drawing it and shading it, trying to make it look right, and I was really frustrated that my picture didn’t look like what was in front of me And I was really bummed about it and I complained to my brother who was older, and a really good artist, and he was like, “It’s not that you’re getting it wrong, “That’s just your style.” And I was like, “What?” And he was like, “Anything that you can’t get to draw “to look the way that it definitely looks in real life, “just call it your style.” “And no one will know the difference.” Is this what a car looks like? This is not what a car looks like But I’ve just decided– this is all I’ve got I’m just going to call it my style and just move on And a lot of times if you put something in a frame, it just looks complete And so then you can move on – If you want to know what my therapist has to say about it, I feel like we’re going to go right there right now, Let’s just be those kinds of friends ‘Cause I don’t have a lot of time with you Here’s what my therapist has said to me at one point “As you go through life, you’re looking for the sweet spot,” “These moments where you feel like, oh yes, right now.” “And it’s almost fleeting, right, and ephemeral.” “You’re sitting at dinner with someone you care about” “and the light is hitting them just right.” “Sometimes it can be just a moment,” “sometimes it’s a season where you’re just like, oh, it’ so sweet right now.” And she said, “You find these moments, “and there’s something inside you that wishes you could stay and live inside them forever.” As if I could freeze time For me I really do think that’s what filmmaking is about, identifying those moments or those people, or those friendships or those connections that I want to encapsulate, because I know that things are always changing – Tim’s going to be a dad

– So great. I know it’s great With our emails, we used to have more of a back-and-forth conversation, and I miss that sometimes – Like things have to evolve and move on and change I don’t think there’s a problem with that I think it’s okay, if nothing changed, that’d be a problem – Yeah, I hear that (sighs) I think I’m going to go take a bath – Okay, go ahead – Hey – Hey (door slams) – She okay? – What do you mean? – I do read her emails. I read them (thoughtful piano music) – Listen “I fought my whole life, studied, played and worked because I wanted to hear and know the whole story, my story, our story And understand as much of it as I could I wanted to understand in order to free myself of its most damaging influences, its malevolent forces, to celebrate and honor its beauty, its power, and be able to tell it well to my friends, my family, and to you I don’t know if I’ve done that, the devil is always just a day away, but I know this was my young promise to myself, to you This I pursued as my service This I presented as my long and noisy prayer, my magic trick, hoping it would rock your very soul, and then pass on, its spirit rendered, to be read, heard, sung, and altered by you and your blood, that it might strengthen and help make sense of your story Go tell it.” (plaintive piano) – [Stephanie] How are you feeling? – I guess I keep thinking and wondering about what it is I do, you know?

With my work and– I feel like I make friends and I help other people make friends, which feels and seems like such a great thing It can feel sometimes like I’m building sand castles And it’s just a matter of time before the tide comes in – But in the moment, that’s your whole world – Yeah, that’s true. A pretty good world If I hadn’t come, we wouldn’t be here, having this sweet morning together – And yesterday wouldn’t have happened And if you hadn’t built the sand castle, I would be sitting here wishing for that I’m thankful, I’m very thankful – I made you a bracelet – Aw, thank you. This is beautiful! – Thank you! – You’re welcome – Thank you so much – Steph, these are beautiful Thanks for having us – You’re welcome, it was so good – Thank you – Thanks – ‘Til next time? – Yes – [Tim] ♪ On the road again ♪ ♪ teaching workshops with my friends– ♪ – Bye guys! (guitar strumming) ♪ Push it back, back into the ground ♪ ♪ I’ve been waiting for so long ♪ ♪ Seeds I’ve sown and songs I’ve sung ♪ ♪ I’ve been waiting for so long ♪ ♪ Peace, oh peace, my soul ♪ ♪ Last spring I planted seeds of hope ♪ ♪ Peace, oh peace, my soul ♪ ♪ I’m waiting for them to grow ♪ ♪ Birds and bees and life on trees ♪ ♪ And to all those coming to me in my sleep ♪ ♪ It’s been a long winter ♪ ♪ It’s been a long winter ♪ ♪ It’s been a long winter without you ♪ (applause) – [Emma] Thank you Thanks you guys I’m really excited that you’re all here tonight This next song–I actually wrote it for someone really special, my friend Jen is here tonight and so this song is called “Paper Dolls.” (ukulele playing) ♪ I remember walking through ♪ ♪ your old house and the makeup ♪ ♪ Hot cocoa with a spoon ♪

♪ and your daughter who was new ♪ ♪ When I held her in my arms ♪ ♪ She surprised me, her wondering eyes ♪ ♪ My mother, she is a friend to you ♪ ♪ Like paper dolls when cut and pulled apart ♪ ♪ We are strung together ♪ ♪ Holding hands, each our own, yet the same ♪ ♪ Across mountains, across time ♪ ♪ Our dreams, our hopes, our lives ♪ ♪ We are never far away ♪ (applause) (radio playing) (driving atmospheric music) (no music playing) – I know things are going to change – Huh, yeah – I don’t know what I’m going to do about it – Just be a good dad, and let people help you – I can do that (driving folk rock) – [Natasha] When I teach an art class, it’s always called a Beautiful Oops So that whatever happens, just go with it – [Natasha] This one just kills me ♪ Ooo, we can see so clear. ♪ – [Natasha] In that, there’s like another level to this – [Tim] Not actually a good photo for me – It is time to chow down Oh this is nice, no handle, this is very nice [Natasha] I love the colors [Jen] I know ♪ It’s true, the difference is the same ♪ ♪ The colors always change ♪ ♪ But the song is the same now ♪ ♪ The tune lifting us higher ♪ ♪ Ooo, we could see so clear ♪

♪ Ooo, we could see so clear ♪ – Thank you guys for getting me breakfast I’ll do tip? It’s fine, it’s fine It’s fine – Hey Jen, I have something for you It’s not a lot, but– – Oh, thank you – You’re welcome – Oh my goodness – [Jen Voiceover] Maybe we’re afraid to gather with others because we know at some point, it’s going to break our hearts And you know what? It will Because we don’t get to have beginnings without endings We don’t get the gesture of embrace without letting go But we all need a place to belong We need witnesses for our journey and good companions along the way Thank you for being all those things to me for all these years Try not to worry about the great unknown ahead of you You’ll have everything you need, and so will I – All right, guys. Thanks – See you – [Peter] Go, get out. Done with you – Oh, wait, Jen! – [Peter] Jen! Don’t go forgetting already, alright? – [Jen] Alright (driving folk rock)